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Project Duo Sonic (93' mim) Warning: Arctic/Mint PG XD
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:46 am    Post subject: Project Duo Sonic (93' mim) Warning: Arctic/Mint PG XD Reply with quote

PROJECT: Fender Duo Sonic 93' MIM (sorry bad pics). So heres the story after 20 years of playing guitar this was the first guitar I ever bought with my own hard earned cash at the age of 13. I loaned it out during College to my Lil' Cuz to learn how to play and it ended up a little rough around the edges. So after getting him a new guitar in return I adopted this back and a few years later its getting a 20th Anniversary re-fresh build. I gave myself parameters and guidelines to stay within, of course my own touch here & there but somewhat true to the original vibe of the Duo/Mustang/Musicmaster/Bronco family. Enjoy!
WARNING: I know its generally forbidden to do this but...I use a vintage mintgreen pickguard from WD on an Arctic White (not traditional color-sorta neon marker yellow mix) I figured this would look cool since this color was too strange for a tortoise pickguard. The original pickguard was one layer, didnt fit, and was finally beginning to crack/warp. Some black accent hardware, a musicmaster bridge, and a neck swap would give this abused guitar "new life." I plan on upgrading pickups eventually but I want to get this working before fully investing.



^ On the left black pickup covers for a mustang with black round barrel knobs and the WD mintgreen pickguard 3 layers with black trim and black screws (Im planning on getting black pickups screws as well)



^ this pickguard was always like this but started to warp around the pickups as well



^ beginning to crack



^ this missing nut helped motivate the neck swap also the frets looked thin and running out of life



^new black hardware (string guides, ferrules, strap knobs, etc)



^ At this point I needed to trim the pickguard from WD because there was a slight lip which wouldnt allow the neck to fit back on





^ comparing the mim duo bridge to the musicmaster from angela



^ Progress so far, Test fit bridge, and filed the pickguard.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally found and chose a 24" scale neck. After lots of research, considering between fixing up the original (new frets, bone nut, crown-level-polish), or going 24" mustang etc, or even Strat neck of 25.5"...I finally made my decision. I didnt want to move the bridge back for the neck as I have decided to stick with the original paint with all the dings and history involved with me personally. If I were re-painting then I may have considered a strat neck etc.

NEXT THINGS IN LINE:

-paint body cavity below pickguard with conductive shielding paint (done)
-install black hardware (done)
-rewire new input jack and 3 way toggle (done)
-install new neck (did not work without modifications)
-drill for ferrules & musicmaster string thru bridge (waiting)
-custom bone nut & setup (next)
-locate new tuners (fender schaller locking, black machines or white knobs etc) (DONE-SQUIER DUO vintage style)
-decide on new pickups and install (maintaing a RW/RP neck and maybe a hotter neck that will fit under the mustang pickup covers and hum-cancel when middle selected) (DECIDED posted below)
...pickups currently being considered either the SD antiquity Duo Sonic Set or SD SSL-3 bridge/SD SSL-5 neck (which I am more leaning towards as long as the positioning of the poles arent differently spaced etc)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



^ the antiquity experience (neck rw-rp)



^ sorta comparing the close up of the antiquity against the background hot strat



^ the hot strat (bridge)





^ my first time using the paint from stewmac



^ somewhat better pic



^ 2-3 coats



^ getting it wired up







^ need to take new pics had to fix wiring



^ mock up need to take pics of actual install


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reserved for pics
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like an interesting project
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Dude ^ yeah first guitar I ever bought and I wanted to breathe new life into it \m/
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would actually like any input on the pickups I'm considering between the SD antiquity Duo Sonic Set or SD SSL-3 bridge/SD SSL-5 neck. Any other info i.e. do strat pickups just swap in or are the poles spaced differently?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No pup info to share, but agree that this is a cool project. Interested to see how it turns out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Thank you Sir! I decided on mixing and matching the pickups. I ordered the SD SSL3 bridge and the aniquity SD neck pickup (RWRP). Just waiting on shipping, also waiting on the conductive paint etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



just kidding, looks good. why did you put a warning?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Funny you ask but it seems that most people have the prestigious opinion that Vintage Mint Green pickguards shouldn't be on white guitars. Black and Sunburst are what most prefer them paired with but I guess having a white guitar with a mint green pg is like wearing a brown belt with a black outfit. If that makes sense, haha? But whether its tradition arctic white, olympic, or even my weird "i ate a one-a-day vitamin and pee'd in the paint mix" mim 90s duo arctic white I like them all with mint pgs. I usually swing towards tortoise shell pg's on white fenders (my fetish) but this white is SO weird that it would look odd possibly, so I dared for the mint. I cant wait to take some better pics and continue some more progress Tuesday! I think its gonna look pretty cool, fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone here has that problem, probably not even on the switch tip forum. I suppose there could be some that would complain about the black screws, if they even notice them.

Although I admit sometimes mint gets used on everything excessively, even on guitars that would probably look better with cream, but I'm not referring to white guitars. Not to mention tort.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I dont mean to imply anyone on here or any majority on here per say shares that opinion. Its just a common rule Ive noticed among other sites and word of mouth. But Im one to clash or purposely rock out a an eye sore. But I think this looks really cool in person cuz the Duo Arctic is so weird and neon lol. Im sure not everyone likes the black screws but the point is just slight black accents. From the layer of the pg in black to the screws and the soon to be black 3 way toggle etc. Just minor things to give it some flair. I got to admit its been pretty fun piecing this puzzle back together.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HOLYshtieBWLS my pickups arrived already, I went with the SSL-3 Hot Strat bridge and the anitquity Duo Sonic neck both from Seymour Duncan. *EDIT* PICS POSTED ABOVE ^
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So apparently this Jagstang neck I have wont fit, I thought the 24" scale neck would work on a Duo Sonic without moving the bridge etc. But Im wrong. Can anyone verify what neck will actually work? Like will a Strat neck work without moving the bridge back?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to stick with the original neck for now. Its just not worth any more modifying on this Duo maybe another one down the road I'll swap a neck. But then again I have a Jagstang and Mustang project coming up so that may never happen or be a long time from now etc. So I'll post some pics of the shielded paint body cavity, new tuners, and when I do the bone nut. Lastly, I need to drill for the string thru, then enjoy!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visceral wrote:
So apparently this Jagstang neck I have wont fit, I thought the 24" scale neck would work on a Duo Sonic without moving the bridge etc. But Im wrong. Can anyone verify what neck will actually work? Like will a Strat neck work without moving the bridge back?


Did you put it on and measure it?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry no one responded to this earlier. I think I can clarify this for you.

You should first revisit this thread that we both posted in: http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50070&sid=d88f4dd44d2ee1797146b7ba1c93622c

Here are the general rules for 1990s MIM Duo-Sonics, as far as I understand:

1) You can put a 25.5" neck on there without moving the bridge. You will need to make some bridge adjustments, but it will play OK. It may not intonate perfectly higher up the neck... but I wouldn't worry too much. A Strat neck should work fine.

2) You can put a 24" conversion neck on there without moving the bridge. A conversion neck is a neck designed for a 25.5" body that "converts" to 24" scale through advanced design. Some Jagmasters have 24" conversion necks.

3) You cannot put a regular 24" neck on there without moving the bridge. Regular 24" necks can only be swapped with other regular 24" necks. These include Mustangs, Jaguars, and Jag-Stangs. Vintage Duo-Sonics and Musicmasters are also part of this group.

Another note: MIJ (and CIJ) necks are built to different specs and may not fit in the neck pocket if the body is not MIJ. Most Mustangs and all Jag-Stangs are MIJ.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas wrote:
visceral wrote:
So apparently this Jagstang neck I have wont fit, I thought the 24" scale neck would work on a Duo Sonic without moving the bridge etc. But Im wrong. Can anyone verify what neck will actually work? Like will a Strat neck work without moving the bridge back?


Did you put it on and measure it?


Good question... would like to know as well.

I've never tried to put a 24" neck on a MIM Duo. My notes above are based on things I've read on this forum.



My final thought is that you shouldn't give up on finding a good replacement neck! Don't settle for the old neck if that's not what you want. You shouldn't have to move the bridge.
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