ShortScale Forum Index www.shortscale.org
Head 'n Neck Above
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups      RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
UploaderUploader   ShortScale WikiBuilder

FAO: James or anyone else

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ShortScale Forum Index -> Playing Technique, Theory, Recording Tips, and Talk
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
JamesSmann
.
.


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 11579

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: FAO: James or anyone else Reply with quote

So here's my setup for vocals. tell me what to do to get good sounding vox:

I use this for a mic: MXL 909


This for a preamp: Presonus TubePRE

And this for a compressor: Behringer Composer PRO-XL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Sloan
Sexy Predator


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 11794
Location: Atlanta GA, USA!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you recording to COMPUTER?

If so, just use a software compressor.
If you really want to use the outboard compressor, you can use it a little while tracking, but don't do anything too drastic. Sometimes its good to use as a limiter to keep your gear from overloading, but still get a really hot signal.


I always high-pass vocals to about 200 or 250 depending on if I need that much low end.
Usually there is "mud" to be found in the low-mids, sweep around and cut it out.

I'm usually doing live tracks so I have to heavily compress the vocals due to the singer moving around the mic a lot.
This works well for a standard modern "in ur face" sounding rock mix or whatever.

If your gonna use lots of compression, make sure you track those vocals with NOTHING ELSE, the more you comp, the more your gonna hear.
Also, you might want to slap a de-esser after heavy compression if you feel like it. May work good, may not.

Personally, I like to cut out silence between phrases if I'm doing a studio sounding mix, but if you do it live, sometimes this can fuck with the balance of the instruments due to bleed. Especially on the drummer's vocal mic that picks up every goddamned thing ever.
_________________
Record your next album with me in Atlanta, GA. It'll be a good time.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
Ninja Mike 808
.
.


Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 1643
Location: DFW

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not gonna say you can't get a good sound out of it, I'm just gonna list my preference.

MXL is great for starting out, but always sounds limited.
Presonus is pretty awesome (usually).
I hate Behringer with a passion.

If you want, start by getting a better compressor. There's a couple that are widely seen as the best ever or the industry standard, yada yada.
LA-2A
1176
They're pricey, but they're engineer lovesexawesomeness.

You could also upgrade your mic. If I were you I wouldn't get a tube mic, since you have the tube pre, and too much tube action can get annoying...
You might try a mic shootout. Just try a bunch of dif. mics out on a subject (guitar cab, person, acoustic, drums) and then decide which you like better. There's no rules to what we do, only guidelines.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
More Cowbell
.
.


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 6206
Location: Jefferson, GA

PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ST.JIMMAY GIVE UPDATE.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
JamesSmann
.
.


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 11579

PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Cowbell wrote:
ST.JIMMAY GIVE UPDATE.


I haven't had a chance to put your suggestions into effect yet! but as soon as i do, i'll let you guys know. i appreciate all your input, cowbell, did my perspectives on your issue help at all? if i didn't have to work today, i'd be doing nothing but working on this issue. cowbell makes me hot with his science laden PMS.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
More Cowbell
.
.


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 6206
Location: Jefferson, GA

PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yar it did. Appreciate the feedback. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
JamesSmann
.
.


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 11579

PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Cowbell wrote:
Yar it did. Appreciate the feedback. Wink


just finished my work day. time to play with some vocal/guitar action. w00t.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JamesSmann
.
.


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 11579

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowy! You da man dood! I'm not 100% with it, because obviously your gear is different than mine, but the suggestions you gave me are a really great ballpark to play in. the vocals already sound a million times better.

Anyone have any tips for good eq'ing of vox?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
More Cowbell
.
.


Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 6206
Location: Jefferson, GA

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sloan wrote:

I always high-pass vocals to about 200 or 250 depending on if I need that much low end.
Usually there is "mud" to be found in the low-mids, sweep around and cut it out.



prolly the best advice. but I usually cut out 120hz, and sweep the low mids searching for shit and then drop it out a bit.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Ninja Mike 808
.
.


Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 1643
Location: DFW

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

St. Jimmy wrote:
Cowy! You da man dood! I'm not 100% with it, because obviously your gear is different than mine, but the suggestions you gave me are a really great ballpark to play in. the vocals already sound a million times better.

Anyone have any tips for good eq'ing of vox?


Cut mid mids and boost low treble. You could also cut hi mids, too. I personally cut the fuck out of all mids.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
Ian
.
.


Joined: 03 Feb 2007
Posts: 555
Location: What do?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just mixed my record so frequencies are still fresh in my brain.

The best way is to know which frequencies affect what part of the voice.

Sibilence is going to be found at around 5K and up. (Ess sounds, Kuh sounds etc.)

2.5K is a good place to add a little bit of mid presence to the voice. it will cut through better in a rock mix.

150-300 is about the lowest part of a voice. There's not much from 20 - 150 that is audible in the mix.

Don't cut too much of the 150-300 area.

don't cut or add more than 3 or 4 DB's to the voice, if you have to to compensate for the rest of your mix being bright. your mix is too bright.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ShortScale Forum Index -> Playing Technique, Theory, Recording Tips, and Talk All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Anti Bot Question MOD - phpBB MOD against Spam Bots
Blocked registrations / posts: 636600 / 0

Guitars at Musician's Friend

Help support this site by clicking the above link!