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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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aen wrote:
MICS! Loev Mics.
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/MXL-MXL-R144-Ribbon-Microphone?sku=583081

this thing has blown my fucking mind. Works great on guitars and vocals. And it's just $100?!?!??!? I can't express how awesome I feel about this mic.

what kind of pre do you use with this mic? Ribbon mics typically need 60db of gain from what i've read and my behringer mixer does just that but i was thinking it would be noisy cranked like that.


Gee, what an oddly specific number! It's almost as if it's been mentioned elsewhere in the very same thread. Very Happy

Gain is gain, but if the pres suck it'll obviously come through. I've used mine with an older Mackie mixer, a Digi 002 interface, a Neve 1073 clone into the 002, and a first-gen Focusrite Saffire -- all were very capable. If you're actually serious about wanting to purchase it, I can share a few simple mods I've done to vastly improve mine.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry, this thread will be chalke-full of redundancies.

My work carries that mic which means I can get it for cheeaaps. Its basically the cheapest ribbon mic around but I've liked all of the reviews and clips I have heard. thanks for the pro-tip on the pre brohan
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For some unearthly reason, when I pan a line hard left it increases the volume, and hard right grounds it out [like a volume pot would work] Is this my shitty behringer mixer acting a damn fool or is that normal???
fuuuuck


Could be; or possibly something out of phase if you've got the guitar running through mulitple mics/channels.

As for sound treatment--what you need are materials that cover broad band frequencies better. You're right--foam is terrible, gets the high end stuff ok but is bad at lows and mids, just making things muddy. Owens-Corning 703 rigid fiberglass insulation is great stuff but tough to find outside of commercial insulation suppliers (I ordered some through Home Depot, but had to get a bunch to meet the minimum delivery requirement). Mineral wool/rockwool insulation is another alternative, though not as rigid. Still, you could get some burlap cloth and make a bunch of pillows, then strap then into the corners of your room (including ceiling/wall intersections) and get some good broad band absorption. You can cover things up with cloth frames as well to improve aesthetics if you want.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guitar is running into two different amps, which are both close mic'd and ran to two different channels on my mixer. Bot full center works and sounds great but if I pan either channel l/r it changes their volume.

I am looking at mayb $300 tops on room treatment. $200 would be more comfortable. Framing the material with fabric is a kiler idea though, lady haze would love that lol. The main concern I have is high frequencies and echo. The echo is baaaaad so some well placed foam will help a bit. I don't want to kill the sound of the room because I do like that small room sound but the high end echo is killing me. Another thing is that the room buzzes at certain bass notes. Expected I guess but I hope bass traps in the corners help. Main focus is the wall across from my amp which I put a fouton, that helped. Also behind my desk where my monitors are facing, which has a batroom and closet door.
There's pics on the first page of the room, its maybe 10'x12' :-/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the buzzing you're hearing is standing waves that develop between parallel surfaces. You can break that up with sound treatments. One thing to consider is you can do things incrementally. Cutting off first-refelction points as you're doing for your amplifier will help. Keep adding things until you get the sound you want.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heres a sample of the sounds i'm getting. rough demo type thing i sent to my band peoples
http://soundcloud.com/mttrckmn/a-song-by-some-definition
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



I <3 Musicmaster (and Jaguar)!!! Very nice arrangement. I have a double stand like your Triple stand, but I dont use it since I have 5 hercules wall stands.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheap dry wall sucks. I hae another hanger but it strips out of the wall. The hercules one above the desk is awesome, no worries about my 20lb jag crashing through my glass stand!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your post. I do not understand.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey dude, I have a Vox Pathfinder 15R. In my experience the best way to improve the tone on these things is to plug in a 1x12" cabinet. The Blackheart one is nice and cheap and works well.

I use an e906, which is kind of a more upscale e609 and I can say it's well worth the price difference. If you want to hear how the combination of a 15R + Blackheart + e906 sounds, here's a vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epf0NjB6g4Q#t=0m55s

Excuse the singing. I use an Epiphone 1x12" cabinet too but I rarely mic that one since I think the Blackheart sounds better mic'd. The Epiphone sounds better live, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haze wrote:








zune sticker from lady haze's uncle that works for microsoft




What photo effects are you using on these images?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

honeyiscool wrote:
Hey dude, I have a Vox Pathfinder 15R. In my experience the best way to improve the tone on these things is to plug in a 1x12" cabinet. The Blackheart one is nice and cheap and works well.

I use an e906, which is kind of a more upscale e609 and I can say it's well worth the price difference. If you want to hear how the combination of a 15R + Blackheart + e906 sounds, here's a vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epf0NjB6g4Q#t=0m55s

Excuse the singing. I use an Epiphone 1x12" cabinet too but I rarely mic that one since I think the Blackheart sounds better mic'd. The Epiphone sounds better live, though.

It is usually plugged into one of my bassman cab's speakers. Imo the stock speaker sounds fine but I may try out a 10" some day. The led mod was the best thing I have done for this amp. I hear the e906 is awesome but at almost double the price I went with the e609. Thanks for sharing the vid, ill have a listen tomorrow morning!

Taylor - first off, holy moses please edit out the img tags so its just the links, icybomb quote is epic on my mobile.
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The effect on the lower ones is caled toy camera, don't remember the first set, was set on random
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's because e906 gets three different sounds, which makes it easily worth it. It has a high-cut setting that makes it sound like a 409 supposedly, a flat setting that is well, very flat, and supposedly sounds like the black 609, and a high-boost setting that sounds a lot like the silver 609, all of which are usable and ultimately have their own voice since the 906 is not any of those mics.

Three voicings in a guitar mic can really give you all the control you need. I like the high-boost setting for a nice modern sound that really leaps, a flat setting for general use, and the high-cut for more of a vintage sound. I set it on flat most of the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

two extra settings is three too many for this guy.
Really dig the mustang tones. I haven't played one in years and have never owned one either... Probably about time!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course! Everybody needs a Mustang.

I hope you like the 609. I love these mics. They're so easy to use and you can just drape them over the cabinet and hit record and they pretty much already sound good.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haze wrote:
two extra settings is three too many for this guy.
Really dig the mustang tones. I haven't played one in years and have never owned one either... Probably about time!


Or just get a Bronco and switch back and forth between it and the Music Master. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

24HRS2MDNT wrote:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haze wrote:
two extra settings is three too many for this guy.


It might not be if you actually use an E609. They're pretty bright and exciteable. An acquired taste.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

first go at recording bass through an amp

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