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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: mustang trem VS jag/jazz trem Reply with quote

After strings replacement the G string sounds so PLONKY that it's unbearable. I've tried tightening/loosening tailpiece, raising/lowering bridge - it's always the same. Last time I put 9s, they sounded fine but felt too light. So now I put 10s, and there's this horrible PLONK. Compared to my toronado it sounds like palm-muted. What do I do?

Does the Jag/Jazz trem feels more solid than mustang? What about Jag trem with a buzzstop? Fuck, I don't want to play my mustang when there's this plonk, it feels and sounds really bad. Maybe I should just switch to a Jag?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put 11s on there. Preferably with a wound G.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how much more difficult is it to fret 11s than 9s, or 10s?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a little bit. but they're louder as well. 11s with a wound G? well yea, it's gonna be a pretty significant difference.

you could try 10s with a wound G. you could make a set like this by getting a set of 8s and a 50 string (or 48, 46, something like that), throwing away the 8 and stringing it 50 - 10 (the B becomes the high E, etc.)

or if you already have a set of 10s you're using. just get a wound 20 or 22 for the G string. I only make the above suggestion because sometimes these smaller wound strings can be hard to find.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10's on a Stang will be like 8s on a Strat. Any shortscale should use 11s.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe add a little action via adjusting truss rod? sounds like the g string swings not freely. You can also add a shim, which gives you more room for bridge adjusting without getting horrible high string action. Is the bridge stock?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well 10s w/ wound G is similar tension to 11s w/ plain G and precisely where it counts (the G string).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But you see, the 9s were awesome, although too light.
After restring there's no ring in the G string, and much less of it in B and thin E.

I had 11s for some time, and didn't like them for the same reason - it's like tension they hold is too much for this guitar. But then I had 10s for like 8 months (not the same set obviously), and it was good.

Maybe it has something to do with the actual string? Maybe it's "faulty"?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pens wrote:
10's on a Stang will be like 8s on a Strat. Any shortscale should use 11s.

I find 10s on a mustang feel like 9.5s (yes, it's nine and half, d'addario make them) on a strat. Never tried 8s tho.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kypdurron wrote:
Maybe add a little action via adjusting truss rod? sounds like the g string swings not freely. You can also add a shim, which gives you more room for bridge adjusting without getting horrible high string action. Is the bridge stock?

Yeah, the bridge is stock.
Although the action is high enough (there's no buzz), I've tried higher and it's the same. It just sounds dull.

What about the nut? Could it be it?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick an extra string tree in there, that helped quite a lot with mine.

As a test just slot the G under the b-e string tree and see what you think, before doing something irreversible !!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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10's on a Stang will be like 8s on a Strat. Any shortscale should use 11s.

I find 10s on a mustang feel like 9.5s (yes, it's nine and half, d'addario make them) on a strat. Never tried 8s tho.


Then man up. Masturbate more or something to build up some hand strength.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crofty wrote:
how much more difficult is it to fret 11s than 9s, or 10s?

It really depends on how the guitar is set up, mainly how high is the action. With 9s and pretty low action you can barely feel the thin strings, it's just as easy. On the other hand, you have to be careful not to push them too much or you will go sharp, this might make chord fretting difficult at first.

For me, the 10s feel almost as easy as 9s, but I didn't quite like the 11s, probably because I never gave them that much time. They just feel like slipping out from under of your fretting fingers when you strum hard enough, if you get what I mean. It's not like it's a real problem, it just irritates me.

I have 11s on Toronado although, and I like them just fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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blacktaxi wrote:
Pens wrote:
10's on a Stang will be like 8s on a Strat. Any shortscale should use 11s.

I find 10s on a mustang feel like 9.5s (yes, it's nine and half, d'addario make them) on a strat. Never tried 8s tho.


Then man up. Masturbate more or something to build up some hand strength.

Well, I guess I'll just have to try 11s once more, I actually have one spare set lying around. Hopefully this will improve my masturbating skillz.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anything under 12 and it slips off my fingers when i'm bending.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

othomas2 wrote:
Stick an extra string tree in there, that helped quite a lot with mine.

As a test just slot the G under the b-e string tree and see what you think, before doing something irreversible !!


you should try this...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet you're a real player.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
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huh ?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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huh ?


not you, Joshy McCan'tBendOnLessThan12s up there
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OIC... must have sausage fingers
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