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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:26 am    Post subject: Mustang CV duo-sonic question Reply with quote

Hi

Do any of you know if this Duo-Sonic (24") neck is the the same size as the Mustang neck (also 24")

Or if they are swapable?

I would imagine they could be but ya never know


TIA

(glad I found this forum. I've got a zillion shorties) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

see this thread: http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32649
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

serfx wrote:
see this thread: http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32649


Oh thanks, yeah I already read that.

It doesn't tell me if a Classic Vibe Duo-Sonic neck will fit on a Mustang (note: both are 24").

If the holes and the pocket line up, and neither is a conversion neck, it should work. But you never know until you size them up.

You can always mover the saddle (or bridge) but I'm probably not going to go there.

It's interesting though. The Jaguars and the mustangs swap out exactly. I have a Mustang with a MIM Jag neck (9.5") radius i'm using.

I definitely like the shorter scale though, as I have smallish hands. It makes a big difference.

But if you have big hands, the smaller scale guitars might just be awful.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the cv neck is a conversion neck (read: fits a 25.5" scale and converts it to 24" scale)
so will not work on a body setup for a 24" neck (vintage duo, mustang, jaguar, bronco etc..)

so on a cv duo, you can either put another cv duo neck on it, a jagmaster (current production run only), or 90's duo neck (would be 22.7") to keep it a short scale, other options would be a strat neck (25.5") a tele neck the heal won't line up properly..

a mustang/jaguar/ vista jagmaster/jagstang etc will not work on a cv duo
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

serfx wrote:
the cv neck is a conversion neck (read: fits a 25.5" scale and converts it to 24" scale)
so will not work on a body setup for a 24" neck (vintage duo, mustang, jaguar, bronco etc..)

so on a cv duo, you can either put another cv duo neck on it, a jagmaster (current production run only), or 90's duo neck (would be 22.7") to keep it a short scale, other options would be a strat neck (25.5") a tele neck the heal won't line up properly..

a mustang/jaguar/ vista jagmaster/jagstang etc will not work on a cv duo


thanks. Interesting

Actually the (truth) is i'm thinking of buying a Sx SST57 Rondo. I read in another thread that a fellow swapped out a SX neck with a CV Duo-Sonic and that they were 'not' conversion necks.

But there you go.

Until someone attempts it , there's conflicting info.

I will probably just buy the SX anyway as it's pretty cheap Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the sx isn't a conversion neck, but i can promise you that the cv duo neck is.
so swapping those two necks will not work.

but the sx guitars a fun, and well worth the coin.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now have a Squier Jagmaster (crafted in China). The neck is slightly under 17-1/4" from nut to heel.

My Squier CV Duo Sonic neck is 17-3/8" from nut to heel.

My SX SST57 is also 17-3/8" from nut to heel.

My Douglas Peragro Traveler neck is very close to 17" from nut to heel. Rondo Music states it has a full sized strat body. It's intonation, at the 12th fret, is perfect on my strobe tuner.

On a full sized Strat body, there is approximately 7-1/8" between the neck cavity and the center of the 3rd or 4th string saddle. (This is when it has been adjusted for proper intonation.)

According to the online calculator at stewmac.com, the distance from the nut to the saddle (for a 24" scale, at the center line of the neck) should be 24.143" (+/- 0.030"). 24.125" equals 24-1/8". So, 24.143" is only slightly over 24-1/8".

I don't doubt that folks have successfully used both the Squier Jagmaster neck and the Squier CV Duo Sonic necks as conversion necks. However, based on my experience (and the above math), they appear to be slightly too long. (Especially the Squier CV Duo Sonic neck.) I would be interested in how the intonation is at the 12th fret on these converted guitars.

I don't know the measurements of the mustang and jaguar necks. But, I understand they have 22 frets. The above necks all have 21 frets. So, it stands to reason the mustang and jag necks are a little longer than the above necks. Therefore, they are probably not swappable without having some intonation issues.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the info!

the Mustang does have 22 frets, and a measurement of 6 4/8" form the saddle to the heal.
Which i would imagine is short, if the neck is longer than the other 21 fret 24" scale guitars. (it would have to be)

(the neck is 17 6/8' -nut to heal, on the Mustang)

So the Mustang will not swap with these.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW

I've already bought the Douglas Peragro (Haven't gotten it yet), and a Rondo Liquid (both conversion necks)

These guitars are so cheap they are ideal for mods (which I love to do).

The mustang/jags are great guitars, but they won't be convertible with strats it appears.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

porterhaus wrote:


My Squier CV Duo Sonic neck is 17-3/8" from nut to heel.

My SX SST57 is also 17-3/8" from nut to heel.



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the neck is 17 6/8' -nut to heal, on the Mustang


I measured my sx and duo from the inside of the nut, not the outside. So depending how you measure they may be very similar (within 1/Cool. Then, depending on the length of the saddle adjustments, things may be very close. If I tried a neck that was a little longer or shorter I could still get it to intonate on my sx strat styl bridge. Maybe close.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

macjones wrote:
BTW

I've already bought the Douglas Peragro (Haven't gotten it yet), and a Rondo Liquid (both conversion necks)

These guitars are so cheap they are ideal for mods (which I love to do).

The mustang/jags are great guitars, but they won't be convertible with strats it appears.



It is a good thing you like to work on guitars. My Douglas Peragro required a lot of set up work just to get it playable. Including sanding the heel of the neck quite a bit and re-installing the tremolo claw. After sanding, I put some wipe-on polyurethane finish on the sanded part of the neck heel. And, I wouldn't call the factory strings real guitar strings.

Anyway, I am interested in what mods you decide to do to. I was thinking of installing dual humbuckers on my Douglas. But, now that I have a Jagmaster, I think that would just be redundant.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

porterhaus wrote:
macjones wrote:
BTW

I've already bought the Douglas Peragro (Haven't gotten it yet), and a Rondo Liquid (both conversion necks)

These guitars are so cheap they are ideal for mods (which I love to do).

The mustang/jags are great guitars, but they won't be convertible with strats it appears.



It is a good thing you like to work on guitars. My Douglas Peragro required a lot of set up work just to get it playable. Including sanding the heel of the neck quite a bit and re-installing the tremolo claw. After sanding, I put some wipe-on polyurethane finish on the sanded part of the neck heel. And, I wouldn't call the factory strings real guitar strings.

Anyway, I am interested in what mods you decide to do to. I was thinking of installing dual humbuckers on my Douglas. But, now that I have a Jagmaster, I think that would just be redundant.


I got the Douglas today. First thing I noticed was it sort of looks like the neck is unfinished. It's a cheap guitar that needs a lot of work.

I'm going to sand the neck down some and get rid of the extreme radius. That radius is ok, but since i'll refinish the neck I might as well do it.

also, the nut has to go. I may just keep the cheap tuners if they manage to keep it in tune.

note: the strings are scary Very Happy
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