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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:44 am    Post subject: Reasonably priced condenser mics. Reply with quote

I'm going to be putting some stuff in the classifieds and some other stuff on ebay quite soon in a bid to raise funds to get some odds and ends, but mainly get myself a condenser mic.

I'd like to stay under 100 and will mainly be used to record vocals and drums with minimal mics.

Any reccomendations?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF you're wanting to do it on the mega-cheap, I picked up a Red5 RV6 as part of a "studio bundle deal" (pop screen, headphones, cable) for like a hundred quid but you can buy just the mic (comes with shock mount, condom-style popshield and hardcase) for 57.40 plus shipping: http://www.red5audio.com/acatalog/Condenser_Mics.html

Here's a walkthrough of the mic and its bits-n-bobs from a recording-audio-DJ website, plus videooooo: http://www.dancetech.com/item.cfm?threadid=3686&lang=0


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And some brief sound samples from me, although it's totally unprocessed audio.

There's definitely better and crisper sounding condensor mics out there, but not at this price.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Doog, I think I may look into this.

I'm not looking for anything too amazing and that studio bundle seems worth it considering all the extra stuff you get.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then again.

Just buying the mic seems to give me everything I need.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind you will definitely need a pop-screen for recording vocals with a condensor unless you're placing the mic meters away; otherwise you're entering into a world of PLOSIVES.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What difference in sound is there between 'condom style' pop shield and an actual pop screen?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Reasonable' is a bit vague because a 600 condenser that is on par with others that cost 1000 could be described as reasonable.

Is 100 fairly rigid? At that price there's still quite a range available and it really depends on what sort of sound you want from it. I'd take a look around some of the larger online recording stores, maybe amazon too, then check reviews on stuff that shows up. Here's one to get you started. link (condenser category sorted by price)

Some stuff that I've used and liked that's fairly cheap. Rode NT1, Rode NT5, JM27 (used to be very cheap at 40 each, good for a lot of things but not that great for vocals), AKG C1000, AKG C3000B.

Take a look at some of the more well known brand names on ebay too. Start with

AKG
Beyer Dynamic (sometimes will just be listed as Beyer)
Sennhesier
Audio Technica
Rode
Shure

Do you have a source of phantom power?

Also don't worry about small or large diaphragm. Just look at both as either is fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really would like to stay under 100 because I need some other stuff aswell.

I guess I want something that's a good all round condenser. It doesn't have to be great, just good enough for my little home recording stuff.

Also, I'm set for phantom power.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What difference in sound is there between 'condom style' pop shield and an actual pop screen?


Basically, the closer the screen/shield is to the mic, the more plosives get through; a popscreen on a bendywendy arm can be placed a suitable distance away, whereas a popshield has to stay right where it is, due to its design. They make up for this with thickness, but it's not the same really.

DEFINITELY pick one up if you can, or make one with some tights and a wire coathanger: http://www.instructables.com/id/A-Cheap-Fast-and-Awesome-DIY-Pop-Screen/ (don't use a Jay cloth like this eejit, though)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather that a wire coathanger, if you can get your hands on an embroidery ring (about fifty pence in a craft shop) you'll have something that is pretty much made for the job.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BacchusPaul wrote:
Rather that a wire coathanger, if you can get your hands on an embroidery ring (about fifty pence in a craft shop) you'll have something that is pretty much made for the job.


That's how I first constructed one as a young lad: one of those and some panty hose. I could never find anything to properly affix it to a mic stand while recording, so I'd often just hold it in place by hand. Of course, this was before there were a number of really affordable purpose-built pop filters available; it may be worth it to just save the ten pounds or so for one of these.

I was going to recommend the Audio-Technica AT2020 as a highly-regarded, affordable large-diaphragm condenser mic, but Doog's Red5 package is about the cost of the AT2020 alone. I'd say that's a fantastic deal.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rather that a wire coathanger, if you can get your hands on an embroidery ring (about fifty pence in a craft shop) you'll have something that is pretty much made for the job.


I was gonna suggest that, but going through the hassle of sorting out a way to attach it to a mic stand, you might as well just spend a few quid more and buy a proper one.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The embroidery ring I used had two holes on the clasp, so I bent a coat hanger (no getting away from them) into a V shape, then bent the last quarter of an inch of each leg at a right angle so that they fit into the holes. Then, the V shape fits into a normal mic clip on a stand.

It's over at the singer/pianist I play with's house at the minute, I'll get a pic up at some point. It works well.
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Rather that a wire coathanger, if you can get your hands on an embroidery ring (about fifty pence in a craft shop) you'll have something that is pretty much made for the job.


I was gonna suggest that, but going through the hassle of sorting out a way to attach it to a mic stand, you might as well just spend a few quid more and buy a proper one.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mic condoms aren't really pop filters, they're windscreens. They're good enough against a breeze, but against plosives at close range, they do nothing.

I use a metal pop filter. Those really work. If you hold your hand on the other side and pop Ps into it, you barely feel a thing.

Anyway, I find that a basic pair of pencil condensers can be used for 70% of recording needs.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mic condoms aren't really pop filters, they're windscreens. They're good enough against a breeze, but against plosives at close range, they do nothing.

I use a metal pop filter. Those really work. If you hold your hand on the other side and pop Ps into it, you barely feel a thing.

Anyway, I find that a basic pair of pencil condensers can be used for 70% of recording needs.


Definitely not as nice on vocals a large diaphragm condenser though.

Semantics aside, "condom" pop shields are still heavily in radio studios and the like, so it's not like they're useless.
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