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death2yun .


Joined: 17 Dec 2011 Posts: 111 Location: chattanooga TN
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: Actual Songwriting Tips for Guitarists |
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Okay I took lessons for years and learned lots of theory and whatnot.
I've been trying to work on song structure & I'm having issues with how many parts a song should have.
Most of what i'm writing is structured like so;
Intro, verse,chorus,bridge,whatever
But what i'm wanting clues about how to build tension in the verses, and just generally how other people go about building dynamics without being boring.
Idk any tips? |
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stewart Cunning Linguist

Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 17625 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:51 am Post subject: |
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personally i'll change vocal melody halfway through a verse or change the guitar part, or have the bass do something different (in a band situation). or bring in some sweet pinch harmonics and a gong. the choices are, literally, endless. _________________
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Pens less dickface

Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 13735 Location: South St. Louis
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Um. I guess my only "tricks" are to have the bass change lines maybe two bars before the chorus, or pick up the vocal part to a different melody. Or the old standby of playing the second half of the verse with more distortion and a more screamed vocal, or then there's the strum the last couple of chords harder trick. Actually I use the strum harder at the end of the verse thing a lot. _________________
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endsjustifymeans Grown Up Punk

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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need tension?
Add dwarfcraft.
Though, that's my solution for basically everything. _________________
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death2yun .


Joined: 17 Dec 2011 Posts: 111 Location: chattanooga TN
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Idk what dwarfcraft is.
It's hard to word this right, but Okay how many bars do verses,chorus,etc consist of. 4 bars? |
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stewart Cunning Linguist

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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as many as you like/need to have. _________________
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George .


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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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death2yun wrote: |
Idk what dwarfcraft is.
It's hard to word this right, but Okay how many bars do verses,chorus,etc consist of. 4 bars? |
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honeyiscool .


Joined: 01 Feb 2011 Posts: 2072 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Almost all my songs have prechoruses. _________________ Kicking and squealing Gucci little piggy. |
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Pens less dickface

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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:58 am Post subject: |
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death2yun wrote: |
Idk what dwarfcraft is.
It's hard to word this right, but Okay how many bars do verses,chorus,etc consist of. 4 bars? |
Er, depends on how long 1 bar is? I always go by feel when it comes to writing songs.
Okay, so this one song I have, the verse is 4 bars clean, next is 4 bars the same riff but distorted, vocal melody is the same but my voice is louder and more distorted (screamsinging?), then the chorus, 4 bars, then back to the main riff, 4 bars distorted. Repeat for next verse.
Other songs might be 2 bars before the verse, some choruses are only 2 bars. I have one song that has a chorus that's 3 bars.
Just depends on the length of one bar and how it feels in the song. _________________
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death2yun .


Joined: 17 Dec 2011 Posts: 111 Location: chattanooga TN
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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ahh okay that makes sense. thanks dewd |
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death2yun .


Joined: 17 Dec 2011 Posts: 111 Location: chattanooga TN
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:15 am Post subject: |
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okay so i just demo'd the different parts of this song i came up with really quick; help would be appreciated.
http://singinbrokenenglish.tumblr.com/
it's the first post that shows up, and i'm just having trouble designating the parts.
On the recording i just play the parts through with no repeating. it's like a minute long.
Anybody care to gimi tips on how to structure it? |
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gaybear Inventor of the Blues

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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:20 am Post subject: |
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so it seems to me like you got
phrase A: picky part
phrase B; strummy part
phrase C: half-time strummy part
phrase D: strummy bridge
i think a good start would just be to play
A, B, C
A, B, C
D
A _________________
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death2yun .


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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
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gaybear wrote: |
so it seems to me like you got
phrase A: picky part
phrase B; strummy part
phrase C: half-time strummy part
phrase D: strummy bridge
i think a good start would just be to play
A, B, C
A, B, C
D
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hell yeah. much obliged. |
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gaybear Inventor of the Blues

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so was there any luck with this? _________________
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robroe Bon Jovi Fan Club!!1

Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 44251 Location: THE WHITE HOLE
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:04 am Post subject: |
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work on developing the ammount of voices you can make with your voice. start with an impression of someone, then tweek it and use it as your own.
like i got a quiet voice, loud voice, axl voice, courtney voice, baby kitty voice (its a mix of the dude from Cinderella and me) _________________
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