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dezb1 · Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:08 am Post subject: tube screamer / DS-1

I have versions of both these pedals, and don't get why the DS-1 is derided while the TS is lauded, both sound shite unless you use a decent tube amp. Is it just snobbery or are my ears fucked.

I've had a night of digging through my pedal mountain having a jolly old old time to myself... this is what threw up this question.
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timhulio · Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:21 am Post subject:

I'm not really a fan of either, but in my experience TS pedals (the Boss SD-1 in particular) seem more tolerant of crap gear.
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Concretebadger · Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:27 am Post subject:

I wouldn't be surprised if it is just snobbery. Both TSs and DS-1s are inexpensive and as a result a lot of people - especially amateurs and beginners - use them. I was unimpressed with the TS when I tried one, but that was in my student days when I thought distortion was an all-or-nothing thing. A mild OD wasn't what I was looking for at the time. Maybe I should try one now!

Fakir Mustache · . Joined: 25 Sep 2013 Posts: 4124

Don't know, but many more people have actually owned DS-1s.

Common beginners' pedal, thus most people used to run it through crap amps. I used to run it through my stereo.

paul_ · . Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 9797

DS-1s don't sound good with a nice amp.
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dezb1 · Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:36 pm Post subject:

Brandon W · Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:14 pm Post subject:

not joe again..

i like ds-1..i still have one and i use it now and again but i am not one to give a fuck about what people say..I like it, end of story.
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dezb1 · Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:44 pm Post subject:

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Gabriel · . Joined: 11 Apr 2010 Posts: 3169 Location: NYC

I liked the DS1 I had after I'd done the Keeley mods to it. But still it needed to be through an already overdriven amp to sound any good. Sounded great through my AC30 when it was cranked though. I do miss that setup and some years down the line I may go back to that!

Tubescreamers can sound good through anything if set properly. I do have a bit of a love/hate relationship with them though. Some days I think they sound awesome and others I can't bring myself to even touch them, I don't know what changes though!

But I use a AC boost clone which is a little bit different, still sounds like a tubescreamer mind.

George · . Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 20945 Location: UK

ultimate blues dad/lawyer pedal vs ultimate kurdtz kid pedal. it's apples vs oranges.

so just kill them all

dezb1 · Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject:

bluesngrunge · . Joined: 26 Apr 2013 Posts: 331 Location: West Monroe,La

I love my ds-2
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Viljami · . Joined: 29 Aug 2009 Posts: 2004 Location: TRE, FIN

I like my TS, but I do prefer my RAT.
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Progrockabuse · . Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4675 Location: Derbyshire

Never tried a ds-1, but think the digital metalizer I had was a ds-1 with fx.

Been using TS based pedals for years and agree that a good tube amp is needed in the mix. Currently using the mooer green mile TS Clone, the only thing to knock the Saltbootst of the board.

Like so

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benecol · Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject:

George · . Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 20945 Location: UK

yeah they are absolutely not transparent, but i think the magic happens because they add a huge mid-heavy volume/gain boost (or something) which helps cut through a mix and it reins in the highs and lows a bit as well as push the amp into breaking up further. in this situation it does help maintain the original tone of the guitar and amp. so in a roundabout way it is transparent.

i've owned a ts7 and proggies old ts9 and both were rubbish as standalones even through my tube amp because i wasn't able to bring the amp up (30W 6L6 class B single channel (i.e. LOTS OF HEADROOM), and no master volume) to a decent level of breakup. your amp already needs to be at some level of, or very near to, breakup to make it work. as a standalone it just muddies everything up and sounds shit. henceforth if you have a marshall or orange, or anything with a master volume, you're probably okay

however, interestingly the digitech bad monkey i just bought acts absolutely fine as a standalone drive, and is not dissimilar to a boss OD3, which is a pretty decent pedal. by all accounts the bad monkey is supposed to be a ts clone with different eq controls (separate bass and treble), so i don't know what's going on there.

stewart · Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject:

yeah, the bad monkey is a TS jobbie. i found one on top of my wardrobe last week, forgot i even had it. think i took it off my board because it weighs a shitload and i had to carry my pedalboard to rehearsals on the bus.

i also think the 'tubescreamer works best through a tube amp' thing is nonsense, i used one with a JC120 for about a year and it sounded fine.
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benecol · Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:05 pm Post subject:

Dave · Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:53 am Post subject:

Simper!
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