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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:20 pm    Post subject: Fender Kurt Cobain Jaguar Without The Relics Reply with quote

I have been thinking about getting a Jaguar for a while now. And this might be it.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some say that it's not a "real" jaguar because of the humbuckers. I say fuck them. It's an incredible guitar go for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ykk211 wrote:
Some say that it's not a "real" jaguar because of the humbuckers. I say fuck them. It's an incredible guitar go for it.


Thank you for saying that.
I love rock and i cant do that with single coils.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weeping_moon wrote:
ykk211 wrote:
Some say that it's not a "real" jaguar because of the humbuckers. I say fuck them. It's an incredible guitar go for it.


Thank you for saying that.
I love rock and i cant do that with single coils.

I'd disagree with the statement that you can't rock with single coils, but you aren't going to get that distorted crunchy goodness with single coils as easily.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ykk211 wrote:
weeping_moon wrote:
ykk211 wrote:
Some say that it's not a "real" jaguar because of the humbuckers. I say fuck them. It's an incredible guitar go for it.


Thank you for saying that.
I love rock and i cant do that with single coils.

I'd disagree with the statement that you can't rock with single coils, but you aren't going to get that distorted crunchy goodness with single coils as easily.


Yep. I noticed.
Its in all the pedals you use.
But okay. You get more from humbuckers.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find single coils much better for rocking hard with pedals, but that may be because I use only Dwarfcraft and Devi Ever for distortion, and both of those brands were engineered for single coils.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the neck that kept me away from these personally, though the TOM is the real thing that robs vintage Jaggy vibe. Offsets just don't feel/sound/play much the same with it even if they are great guitars in their own right. This probably won't bother you given your tastes/previous Fenders.

The whole reason I have a Jag with a JB Junior is Cobain's Jag. I had a TOM on it for a couple years too but after I got my Strat and Les Paul I slapped a Mustang bridge back on to let it be itself a bit more, it's got that cool old surfy sound again now when you need it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you looked at the cp jaguar? Pretty similar and cheaper. A roller bridge is an essential replacement for the tom.

I disagree that you can't rock out with single coils. They can sound huge. Its all in the dials
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A roller bridge is an essential replacement for the tom.


I hear this a lot nowadays but disagree that it's "essential". I never had tuning hangups or string breakage using a cheap Epi large post TOM simply dropped into the stock cups on my CIJ Jag, and my Bigsby'd SG had both a TOM and roller bridge at different times and I found no clear benefits range-wise to the roller bridge (and even a couple of gripes as it reduced the ability to go as ham-fisted as before, granted the chunky Wilkinson one probably doesn't have this issue). Lots of trem-equipped guitars over the years have used TOMs or other non-roller bridges, and when I hear "you need a roller bridge" I also hear "you need a roller nut", "you need a roller string tree" and "you need locking tuners"... all you really need is to do a careful, guitar-specific setup, sometimes filing any burrs out of saddle slots/widening them to your preferred string gauges goes a lot further than just mobilizing all that shit... I see the basic logic behind roller saddles, I just haven't seen them changing lives yet.

And yeah to "all in the dials"... playing through an old crunchy tube amp I bet a lot of people would fail a blind test of Telecaster vs Les Paul.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_ wrote:
meltedbuzzbox wrote:
A roller bridge is an essential replacement for the tom.


I hear this a lot nowadays but disagree that it's "essential". I never had tuning hangups or string breakage using a cheap Epi large post TOM simply dropped into the stock cups on my CIJ Jag, and my Bigsby'd SG had both a TOM and roller bridge at different times and I found no clear benefits range-wise to the roller bridge (and even a couple of gripes as it reduced the ability to go as ham-fisted as before, granted the chunky Wilkinson one probably doesn't have this issue). Lots of trem-equipped guitars over the years have used TOMs or other non-roller bridges, and when I hear "you need a roller bridge" I also hear "you need a roller nut", "you need a roller string tree" and "you need locking tuners"... all you really need is to do a careful, guitar-specific setup, sometimes filing any burrs out of saddle slots/widening them to your preferred string gauges goes a lot further than just mobilizing all that shit... I see the basic logic behind roller saddles, I just haven't seen them changing lives yet.

And yeah to "all in the dials"... playing through an old crunchy tube amp I bet a lot of people would fail a blind test of Telecaster vs Les Paul.


Morning,

Ok essential maybe is going to far.
I disagree with the roller nut, roller string tree thing. All guitars need a well cut nut to allow the strings to pass through them smoothly regardless of the bridge.

So I swapped the TOM/AOM on my CP Jaguar out for a wilkinson roller bridge, mine was rattling and I didn't like the feel of it, my low E occasionally left its saddle.
The sound difference was huge, my jag sounds awesome, it almost like the standard enforcer pickups had been replaced for some good dimarzios (pick your favourite brand etc).

It might be down to the mass of the bridge, it is double the size and looks like someone has reassembled robocop on a flat piece of metal, but for feel and tonz etc I really do recommend them massively.

I bought a copy of the wilkinson bridge for half the price, this was not as good. I put it on my Mascis and there was a little difference to the TOM/AOM but not huge. It didnt feel as nice and the rollers are for show, they dont seem to move. Anyway, 15 spent so not a major loss. I then bought another Wilkinson roller bridge and slapped it on the mascis and it did the same thing for my JM that it did for the Jaguar.

I have put the copy roller bridge onto my Starcaster now. It has made a difference over the stock TOM/AOM, it sounds fuller and feels nicer. I think it will also get the wilkinson roller on it in time.

Another thing I have noticed is that the roller bridge is taller so the posts have to be sunken further into the body/turned tighter/lower etc. Perhaps this adds to the resonance also?
It also has more adjustment for intonation than the TOM/AOM.

A good setup on any guitar is key, and it does all help.

I just really feel 25 is no real financial loss.

Im glad we agree on the dials at least Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_ wrote:
It's the neck that kept me away from these personally, though the TOM is the real thing that robs vintage Jaggy vibe. Offsets just don't feel/sound/play much the same with it even if they are great guitars in their own right. This probably won't bother you given your tastes/previous Fenders.

The whole reason I have a Jag with a JB Junior is Cobain's Jag. I had a TOM on it for a couple years too but after I got my Strat and Les Paul I slapped a Mustang bridge back on to let it be itself a bit more, it's got that cool old surfy sound again now when you need it.

this is why I've been thinking about getting rid of the TOM on my jag. I feel like it robs some of that "wonky 60s jag sound" ith the Tom bridge. been thinking about a pickup swap and a bridge change now that I sorted that Tele. one at a time haha
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And for me i have no problem with TOM bridge. In fact i love the Cobain mustang.

One thing im most worried about is the 1 meg pot to much? There is many jaguar users here are you happy with the sound?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 1999 AVRI. its dead stock. setup by robroe.
ill never change a thing on it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robroe wrote:
I have a 1999 AVRI. its dead stock. setup by robroe.
ill never change a thing on it.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_ wrote:
meltedbuzzbox wrote:
A roller bridge is an essential replacement for the tom.


And yeah to "all in the dials"... playing through an old crunchy tube amp I bet a lot of people would fail a blind test of Telecaster vs Les Paul.

true story. had a go with my Tele and a cranked tube amp today. wouldn't notice much of a difference from a les Paul.

but weeping moon the 1 meg pots work just fine with my jag. when I roll off volume and tone I just feel its really drastic though. but with the knobs up it sounds lovely. totally happy with how my jag sounds its the classic player one but has single coils. only thing I'd change would be he bridge. don't like the Tom much. wanna find a jag or mustang bridge.

oh! and I'd swap the trem on mine. don't like the mim screw in trem. idk if the cobain one has it. but I'd grab an avri one or try that stay trem stuff everyone seems to like.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just curious who and or why they would say it's not a REAL Jag because of the humbuckers .. That's the biggest crock of shit I've heard today . The Dragster humbuckers in a Special HH when split sound just like a single coil . Maybe not a Jag single coil but a single col . So I guess a fat strat isn't a REAL strat , right ? Sounds like something some hipster purist cunt would say . That fucker needs a punch in his RayBans and his beard ripped out . Evil or Very Mad
I've tried both the relicked and the unrelicked . I like the DiMarzios . The relicked one played slightly better and sounded a little nicer . It's the finish . I think I'd rather have a Classic Player HH with DiMarzios installed over the KC version though. Not enough switches .... Jaguars need switches and shit .. Kinda what makes them cooler than most other Fenders .
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rox wrote:
I'm just curious who and or why they would say it's not a REAL Jag because of the humbuckers .. That's the biggest crock of shit I've heard today . The Dragster humbuckers in a Special HH when split sound just like a single coil . Maybe not a Jag single coil but a single col . So I guess a fat strat isn't a REAL strat , right ? Sounds like something some hipster purist cunt would say . That fucker needs a punch in his RayBans and his beard ripped out . Evil or Very Mad
I've tried both the relicked and the unrelicked . I like the DiMarzios . The relicked one played slightly better and sounded a little nicer . It's the finish . I think I'd rather have a Classic Player HH with DiMarzios installed over the KC version though. Not enough switches .... Jaguars need switches and shit .. Kinda what makes them cooler than most other Fenders .


People in guitar shops round here are like, "it's not a REAL jag" and i just kinda walk away.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a thinline and a CP humbucker model

If they are not Jaguars what are they?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

those are called hacked up les pauls with too many switches.
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I best get a new decal knocked up
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