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beautyfish
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 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:23 am Post subject: New replacement tuners for '66 Mustang neck? |
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Just got a '66 Mustang project neck (no decal, needs a fret job or refret, no nut or tuners and a slight back bow that I'll be repairing), and I'm trying to locate some tuners that will fit the tuner holes and screw hole pattern of the original "F" tuners. I don't want to spend $100 for vintage tuners if I can find something for $40. This is going to go with a Jag body, so Mustang "vintage correct" tuners aren't necessary. Will the Schaller "F" tuners or something else work on this neck without hole plugging, redrilling, or ferrule adapters?
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MatthewK
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| You need the original F tuners which have no "shoulder" around the shaft. F tuners made by Schaller have a sleeve around the shaft coming out of the gear housing which isn't on the original Fender-made ones. So for a '66 you need either original Fender ones or you will have to drill the back of the tuner holes to allow for the sleeve. |
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beautyfish
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| MatthewK wrote: |
| You need the original F tuners which have no "shoulder" around the shaft. F tuners made by Schaller have a sleeve around the shaft coming out of the gear housing which isn't on the original Fender-made ones. So for a '66 you need either original Fender ones or you will have to drill the back of the tuner holes to allow for the sleeve. |
So, what do you think is the best alternative: buying the Schallers and drilling the shaft holes, or buying something else and drilling new screw holes? There must be some other "non-F type," white button tuners that will go right into that shaft hole but would require new screw holes. Any recommendation for that alternative?
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Addam
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From my experience, while you could counter bore the back of the headstock and use the original-to-the-neck ferrules rather than drilling right through to 10mm and using the conversion ferrules that are included with the tuners. The spacing is wider than vintage F tuners. Well it is with the neck I have which was from a late '70s Musicmaster. |
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Doug
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| beautyfish wrote: |
| MatthewK wrote: |
| You need the original F tuners which have no "shoulder" around the shaft. F tuners made by Schaller have a sleeve around the shaft coming out of the gear housing which isn't on the original Fender-made ones. So for a '66 you need either original Fender ones or you will have to drill the back of the tuner holes to allow for the sleeve. |
So, what do you think is the best alternative: buying the Schallers and drilling the shaft holes, or buying something else and drilling new screw holes? There must be some other "non-F type," white button tuners that will go right into that shaft hole but would require new screw holes. Any recommendation for that alternative?
Thanks for the advice!! |
Why not contact some of the vintage guitar experts and ask thier advice? Not that your doing a vintage preservation, but they'll be able to advise you on what tuners meet your need. Just give 'em a call and they'll be helpful. Gruhn's in Nashville, or Jim Singleton at York Guitars in York, Pa. are two who've been friendly & helpful to me.
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MatthewK
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I'm pretty sure those ones from Fender have the shoulder - hence the name "70s style".
The ones you need are like this:
The 70s style ones are like this, note the sleeve around the base, which needs a wider hole, but drilled only half way into the headstock:
I bought an old vintage set for my 66 neck, I don't think anyone makes replacements. I wouldn't recommend trying to widen the back of the tuner holes unless you have professional skills. If you think about it, the price difference between a reissue set and a reasonably priced used set isn't worth the headache of trying to drill, and devaluing or possibly ruining your vintage neck. |
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