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Pacafeliz
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That's gorgeous.
Those three guitars near the radiator are making me feel queasy though! |
don't worry, it's not on! 
BTW, Jarman himself (the bassist brother) replied on my post over at the OSG.
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Hi everyone
Just thought that I would check back in here, after the guitars were officially announced and shipped on Friday.
Vacafeliz - it's really nice to see that someone owns and is enjoying the guitar. When we were initially designing the instruments we were mainly thinking about how we wanted them to turn out for our own tour usage first and foremost, and so reviews were pretty much in the back of our minds...and to be honest, I guess I always knew that the people at OSG would be the most, shall we say 'discerning' critics out there . So it's nice to see that you dig the guitar. I guess it's the first review ever too so good job!
The most gratifying thing to see is that the small details are appreciated here - they were the things that were laboured over and most time was spent on - and I think that these are all the reasons why cumulatively the guitars don't feel like traditionally 'lower cost' instruments. It can be the little things that count.
Regarding a few specific points:
As far as I know, the neck was not modelled on the Jag-Stang, more on a vintage Mustang template. I think it has most in common with the 90's Mustang re-issues. But the Jag-Stang was definitely a reference point in the spec process.
The switching - I don't know about that, would have to ask Ryan. I know there was a lot of discussion on that subject though.
Ryan wanted the guitar to feel substantial - Although he is a small guy he's aware that a Mustang can look a bit toy-like on bigger people, and so the extended butt and Jaguar treble side really fills it out.
The bridge - originally the prototype was shipped to us with a mustang style bridge, which from the Chinese factory looked very similar to the Bass VI reissue bridge. It was unsuitable as the strings didn't line up correctly with the pole pieces on the pickups and Ryan felt it was detrimental to the sustain - which was a MAJOR consideration in the design process. He plays hard live and uses heavy/unusual gauge strings, so the A-O-M ticked all the boxes. The prototype's bridge was switched to one of those vintage TOM 'harmonica' bridges (which is a straight swap on a floating mustang type fitting), so when the AOM was offered it seemed to make the most sense.
The things that we really didn't wanna skimp was the tremolo unit and the tuners. To be honest, we've always seen the electronics as 'user preference'. We put in the ones WE like best, but understand that if the user has a preference that kind of thing is easily changed. So good tuners and tremolo and a nice nick are the things that keep things feeling quality and give a solid platform for modding/adjusting to your own needs. FYI both pickup covers were all black on the original design, to give it that 'modded' look.
Speaking of quality - we believe these guitars to be built really well, and while there may be minor production line fluctuation - these are £350 guitars. They are the same price as the Classic Vibe series, and actually cheaper than most Squier Artist models...which was a key consideration too. As I mentioned before, we weren't motivated by the glory of a signature model (though it doesn't hurt!), was more just psyched to design a guitar for Fender. We don't want them to be expensive and sold only to people who like the band. What a waste. We just wanted them to be cool looking and nice to play and yeah, a platform to make your own. I think for £350 you get some much cooler features than other guitars offered in that range.
Regarding USA etc - yeah, they work out kinda pricier at the exchange rate, but if they were offered in the US, they would be priced accordingly like the Classic Vibe stuff. I guess this first run is a tester in the bands primary market. It would be nice to think that they would be available and affordable in the US too some day.
Anyway, massive post, but just wanted to check in and say thanks to you lot for the enthusiasm, and to give some background info as to why they turned out the way they did.
Nice one
Gary
PS - yeah, if you see us out and wanna buy us a beer we will happily talk this kinda stuff all night! |
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Wait... this isn't being offered in the US?
Shit.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Just checked on thomann - they can get it to me shipped for $461.43...
Or I can buy a G&L tribute Fallout and have a nice dinner out.
Shit shit shit shit shit
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: NGD: Squier Jarman signature Mus-guar 1st impressions +P |
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1st i must mention that the switching IS different than on the Mustang... which i don't know if it was on purpose or not (re: Jarman?);
on a mustang, you had 2 ways of getting the in/out of phase sound. something like both switches in (or out) gave you this or that sound... ugh, it has always confused me too. so anyways, on this one you get the OUT OF PHASE sound when the neck pickup's slider is pushed forward (towards the neck). so NO MATTER if you put the humbucker's switch to front or back, it's gonna be out of phase. now slide the neck pup to the rear (bridge side), you'll have the IN PHASE sound, etc. ...get it?
middle position is OFF, like on a Mustang.
it confused me at first, but now i got it. period. (...or., again.. is mine wired incorrectly, or was it intentionally?) |
So what does the other slider actually do then? (The one by the humbucker.) |
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Vacafeliz
Nice one
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hahaha, Vacafeliz, super lol
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Pacafeliz
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 yep it happens every now and then.
If i meet 'em i'll tell him how exciting it is for me to finally meet the Horrors... or something.
Re: the humbucker-switch: it's just on-off-on
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Wait... this isn't being offered in the US?
Shit. |
Stateside folk who've heard of The Cribs or Biffy Clyro outside of Squier sig guitar forum threads, show of hands?
*slowly and methodically eats own hand*
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| mkt3000 wrote: |
Wait... this isn't being offered in the US?
Shit. |
Stateside folk who've heard of The Cribs or Biffy Clyro outside of Squier sig guitar forum threads, show of hands?
*slowly and methodically eats own hand* |
I never heard of Biffy Clyro before their signature Squiers came out, but I learned of the Cribs as the band Johnny Marr joined after Modest Mouse. Couldn't name one song tho. |
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mkt3000
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Decision made, as long as the exchange rate holds, and my final paycheck from my previous employer arrives as scheduled, one of these will be immigrating across the atlantic next month.
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The exchange rate is behaving
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Kewl. Right decision, i think.
Now they're saying it's a limited edition of only 150. Seriously?!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| So people are going to buy a limited-edition guitar as a basis for customisation? |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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@Pacafeliz - many thanks for the review/info/pics!
A couple of questions, please:
How does the neck compare to a typical C neck? I prefer slimmer necks.
Any idea what the DC resistance is on the (''high output") bridge humbucker pickup? (It seems a big mismatch to the neck pickup?)
I don't get why they didn't they make the bridge humbucker pickup selector have a coil split position rather than be on/off/on.
thanks
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I never really understood the issue with output mismatch with pickups, just adjust the volume surely? When I go from one position to another on my LP I always have it set so one pickup is louder than the other anyway. Like a boost. I'd rather have 2 totally different sounds from a guitar that 2 closely matched flavours. Good call on wiring up the Humbucker switch for a split. My fave Fender has a SD Distortion Humbucker (with a split option)and a vintage single coil and it sounds amazing. Way mismatched on paper but they sound great together.
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Kewl. Right decision, i think.
Now they're saying it's a limited edition of only 150. Seriously?! |
I hope it's not too limited as I'd like to give this a go at some point but do not have the funds right now. |
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Dude, Pat's the man! That's a review and a half, if I ever read one.
Ordered one this past week from Kenny's Music/Glasgow, which had the best shipping rates for an overall decent price. Curious how many string trees I'll get (0-2)! Although I could throw in a lovely Moollon VH-59 to replace the shoddy bucker to come up with some wonderfully crisp PAF tones (as opposed to foreseeable mud Krudtz), I've been loving the TV Jones Magnatron neck pos. I got years ago and put on the Televersary, and think I just might throw the extra bridge position one I have in the Jarman, for some bright and chuncky toanz. Either that or keep things heavy humbuckie and do an kill-switch-to-coil-split conversion... All in all I've been wanting a shortscaler w/TOM to do something heavier with, and we'll see how it comes, come month-end. |
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Ordered one this past week from Kenny's Music/Glasgow. |
Wicked!
Used to be Sound Control. And it's where I got my Les Paul after to summers of saving.
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Dude, Pat's the man! That's a review and a half, if I ever read one.
Ordered one this past week from Kenny's Music/Glasgow, which had the best shipping rates for an overall decent price. Curious how many string trees I'll get (0-2)! Although I could throw in a lovely Moollon VH-59 to replace the shoddy bucker to come up with some wonderfully crisp PAF tones (as opposed to foreseeable mud Krudtz), I've been loving the TV Jones Magnatron neck pos. I got years ago and put on the Televersary, and think I just might throw the extra bridge position one I have in the Jarman, for some bright and chuncky toanz. Either that or keep things heavy humbuckie and do an kill-switch-to-coil-split conversion... All in all I've been wanting a shortscaler w/TOM to do something heavier with, and we'll see how it comes, come month-end. |
Really looking forwards to seeing and hearing what you do with this thing!
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I played a couple weeks ago. It was awesome. Felt exactly like a MIJ/CIJ Fender.
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Ordered one this past week from Kenny's Music/Glasgow. |
Wicked!
Used to be Sound Control. And it's where I got my Les Paul after to summers of saving. |
Small world, Kennys is a good shop, where I recently picked up my yamaha acoustic for cheap.
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Gonna be interesting to be sure, with the standard Fender trem + TOM already in place being a significant draw for me. There's also a huge Cribs fanbase over here among the Hongdae crowd as well, so if it turns out to be not all that, then I'll likely be able to flip it for a profit.
BTW, the online service from Kenny's was impeccable, with a certain Danny really giving me the quickest responses of any online retailer I've dealt with, pretty much all hours of the day. |
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