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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:53 am    Post subject: where to put new octave pedal Reply with quote

I recently picked up a TC Electronic Sub n' Up octave pedal, can't decide where I should put it. I'm using it with an old Gallien Krueger rackmount preamp and trying to ditch my compressor and dirt pedals and use the compressor and dirty channel of the preamp. In the effects loop, with some gain going on, the Sub n' Up gets a bit shrieky, but sounds great on the clean channel. Going guitar straight into Sub n Up, then into preamp, it sounds muddier with some gain and compression. I'm starting to think maybe I should dig up the compressor pedal and go compressor->octave->distortion, but then I'm back to the compressor pedal I was hoping to ditch. Anyway, I'm wondering what order seems to work best for most, octave->comp->dist, comp->dist->octave, or comp->octave->dist?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before your distortion source is typical usage reeeeally, although Tom Morello uses his Whammy in his amp fx loop, there's obviously no 'rules' to this stuff.

To be honest, the Sub N Up is quite a dark sounding octaver (I've looked into it for some time to replace my Micro POG), and maintains a lot of low end in the lower octaver so I'm not sure how you're gonna make it sound less 'muddy' without just tweaking EQ settings a little bit? The Micro POG is definitely a bit brighter and squeakier, maybe that'd work better for you?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've moved them around and while it's always different, i can't tell where it sounds "better".. like doog said, work the eq to get rid of the mud
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, as i've always heard but only began applying lately, always begin by using the eq to subtract instead of adding..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doog wrote:
Before your distortion source is typical usage reeeeally, although Tom Morello uses his Whammy in his amp fx loop, there's obviously no 'rules' to this stuff.

To be honest, the Sub N Up is quite a dark sounding octaver (I've looked into it for some time to replace my Micro POG), and maintains a lot of low end in the lower octaver so I'm not sure how you're gonna make it sound less 'muddy' without just tweaking EQ settings a little bit? The Micro POG is definitely a bit brighter and squeakier, maybe that'd work better for you?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my pitch shifter goes straight after my univibe before any buffers (so second in chain). it seems to blend best there with the least amount of noise as putting a buffered pedal before it adds too much high end when engaged. really its up to you, and its cool to experiment putting it between or after drive pedals for synthy tones

in your situation i would try comp>octave>dist if the comp is unbuffered, or octave>comp>dist if it is buffered. i haven't tried a comp and an octave together, but i imagine you'd want comp before octave if you're looking to control the wet/dry mix of the different octaves
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually i can't put mine in front of the phaser or reverb because they are all together..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like my octave pedal after my overdrives but before modulation. I think it gets too muddy before overdrive.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doog wrote:
although Tom Morello uses his Whammy in his amp fx loop, there's obviously no 'rules' to this stuff.


Whaaa???

Massive fanboi but didn't know this. I put mine first, as it happens.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bacchus wrote:
Doog wrote:
although Tom Morello uses his Whammy in his amp fx loop, there's obviously no 'rules' to this stuff.


Whaaa???

Massive fanboi but didn't know this. I put mine first, as it happens.


Yeah man, all of his effects are in the loop, hence why his wah stuff sounds so extreme.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might start experimenting with effects loop. I've never, ever put anything in the loop, always in front of the amp.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bacchus wrote:
Might start experimenting with effects loop. I've never, ever put anything in the loop, always in front of the amp.

oh you're missing out.. it's even more options.. i have some effects in the loop and some in front and sometimes i'll do stereo going to different amps .. the ehx sitar pedal blows my mind set up like this.. the drone strings only go out to one amp and everything else to another amp.. now i need an expression pedal because you can nail an even more realistic sitar sound with an expression pedal .. plus a shit load of sounds i've never heard before.. mind blown.. i put pedals that i can't place right in the chain in the loop
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