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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Ngd: all kinds of vintagy goodness Reply with quote

I targeted only buying one guitar this year....and managed to buy it les than a week into January, it’s going to be a long year.

I found a basket case 1966 355, between cites and the weakening Canadian dollar, finding affordable instruments I can get to Canada is a bitch (missed out on the same 67 jag twice). This popped up one province over, and with the extra parts and free shipping was a decent deal. The headstock is a pretty savage repair, it is new wood from the first fret to the tip, but the veneer and fretboard are original. Also included was a reissue gold Bigsby, a new bridge, second set of tuners, pickguard (minor warp), etc. It also has the tail end of the pat no. pickups, though the wiring is rough (having a friend look at it).

Anyways, I finally have a vintage 3x5!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks brilliant. What's the story with the varitone? was that standard?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varitone is standard but that is a dummy pot in there, the factory one was pulled when the guitar was mono’d. My buddy is a big electronics guy (owns tone hungry effects) so I might see if I can get his help on figuring the thing out again. You wouldn’t believe the rats nest of wires that go into those things.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks great. Congrats. Now get the Butlerz on.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice indeed.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No windfall, more like seeing how badly our dollar is going to do vs the us in the next 18 months, struggling with cites and doing the math when a player grade came up. Laughing realistically I can undo most of the sins from the last 50 years on this guitar myself or with some help from friends, and make decisions later if more aggressive upgrades are needed.

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That looks great. Congrats. Now get the Butlerz on.


My skill isn’t nearly there but I have tried some haphazard smiths and suede on it, clearly I need more practice Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh baby, that's lovely.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

finboy wrote:
No windfall, more like seeing how badly our dollar is going to do vs the us in the next 18 months, struggling with cites and doing the math when a player grade came up. Laughing realistically I can undo most of the sins from the last 50 years on this guitar myself or with some help from friends, and make decisions later if more aggressive upgrades are needed.

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That looks great. Congrats. Now get the Butlerz on.


My skill isn’t nearly there but I have tried some haphazard smiths and suede on it, clearly I need more practice Embarassed


Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drop dead gorgeous.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really nice! How much did you pay, and are there any pics of the repair?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That’s amazing. Fucking jealous as fuck.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

timhulio wrote:
Really nice! How much did you pay, and are there any pics of the repair?


Headstock repair was the only major repair, the wiring and hardware weren’t original but it came with the original hardware and electronics that are being added back on. I talked with the owner of es-335.com quite a bit on how to value somethingnplayer grade like this. He said $3k us would be fair, which is about $3800 Canadian. The owner and I settled on $4100 with next day shipping, which I still consider a worthwhile buy as I got a brand new reissue bigsby, vintage Grover’s, a spare bridge, etc. And didn’t have to pay sales tax.

Leveraging the es-335.com site was valuable in deciding the worth of a players grade guitar. First I measured how much each damaged or missing item should take off the guitar, then I did a ground up calculation of what the parts individually would be worth. Overall I’m happy with the purchase, it’s the most I’ve spent on a guitar but in canada, I don’t know that I would come across another vintage 3x5 with pat no. pickups for a long time.

Added bonus: they included a vintage l5/es175 tailpiece that I can sell to help fund a refret
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...but your kids are gonna love it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul_ wrote:
...but your kids are gonna love it.


The lack of kids is the only thong keeping this affordable lol

Here it is next to the basket case 55-77

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:

TL/DR: Jesse Mast sold me a guitar with a broken Patent Number pickup, and refused to cover any expenses to fix it, instead offering me $200 less than I paid for the guitar to return it.

I am not a fan of having to write this post, but unfortunately I reached out to the seller and their response was less than helpful.

I bought this guitar for about $3300 USD from Jesse Mast (a country singer from interior British Columbia apparently), this is a bit above what Charlie from es-335.com highlighted as an ideal price for a neck repair 355, but I saved on shipping cost and sales tax. A screaming deal this guitar was not, but the price was fair for market value considering it was a working guitar. I had a chance to reach out to Jesse’s luthier who had previously given it a once over (I am not name dropping the business, the luthier was forthcoming with some of the issues but it seemed he didn’t do a lot of work on it. I’m not dragging the reputation of a small business through the mud just because their name was brought up to sell a product), and by all indications the guitar was functioning as it should be.

I am going to be pragmatic here, and assume Jesse does not know much about vintage instruments, as he could not answer some relatively basic answers (how the guitar was converted to mono, how the headstock was repaired, the value of patent number pickups, etc.) and this only got more concerning when the package arrived…



You are seeing that right, that is a bill of lading taped to the top of the case, the ONLY other protection was a kitchen towel loosely wrapped around the headstock. Needless to say my heart dropped when this came to my door, but miraculously the guitar was still in tact.

Sadly, this was not the end of problems for the fair-market 355, upon plugging it in the neck sounded great, the middle position sounded like the neck pickup, and the bridge sounded like…a broken pickup. Taking a look inside the f-hole, the wiring was unoriginal (as expected from my conversations with Jesse) but was clearly done by an amateur, and not the luthier who I spoke with. This left me hopeful that it might just be a loose connection, or bad connection. Out of curiosity I emailed Throbak to see how much a re-wind would cost, about $200 canadian plus $50 or so in return shipping, so much for that market value guitar.

This is where Juan from Tone Hungry effects comes in, Juan is a good friend but is also a great pedal designer, and an electrician when he isn’t designing pedals. I can’t speak highly enough about his work, the past couple days he has put in a herculean effort to keep the cost of this project from skyrocketing (hello $800 pickup if we can’t fix this)

Prepare for some fun wiring…





Seriously???




Even through that rat’s nest, the issue still wasn’t found for the bridge pickup, so then reality started to sink in…

Neck pickup – healthy and sounds great…


Bridge pickup – anyone else think this could be seen as anything but a dead pickup?...Bueller…Bueller…


Just to be sure, Juan tested both coils…

Slug looks fine…


Screw side…welll I think we found the problem…


So there we have it, I paid market value for a guitar that is 50% functional. A fix isn’t too expensive, but a repaired or rewound patent number pickup is NOT going to hold the same value as a functioning unit. It was at this point where I had to make a decision, full rewrap, or ask Juan to take another risk and see if he could salvage the dead coil. Thankfully Juan has balls of steel…



I have a lot of faith in Juan’s abilities, and thankfully his eyes are better than mine, because with a minor bit of wire lost, he managed to get the pickup from a dud to this…



Now we get to the discussion around the coils not being symmetrical, both Juan and I dove into the google machine, and while there is a .7 ohm difference between the two coils, that doesn’t strike me as unusable. We are going to try this pickup in the neck (slightly more open, less hum cancelling but more overtones from what I could find) and run the existing neck pickup in the bridge. Making the best of the situation, I am looking forward to how this sounds, and will post up some videos when Juan is done.

So what is next? Restoring those factory pots and caps to usable form…



That is the update for today folks, glad Juan could help provide some positivity to a day that did not exactly go as I had planned.

I don’t want to harp on it too much, but in reaching out to Jesse I understood that he might not know about guitars, but hoped he would at least stand behind selling a product. If I were to download his album from itunes and only half the tracks played, I wouldn’t expect the reaction of “at least you still got a good deal on the rest of them.”

If anything, I hope everyone can see the value in buying from reputable shops (which are sorely lacking in Alberta), but even more understand how important it is to build relationships in your community. I met Juan when I sold him a guitar, and while he isn’t doing this work for free, he made it a priority because he understands the emotional ride this purchase has been for me. The couple hundred that I have to spend on this guitar stings, but at the end of the day I still have a great guitar, and it is clear someone needed that $200 more than me. On the other hand, one of my friends stepped up when I needed help, and has been absolutely pivotal in bringing this guitar back to life, and it is hard to put any price on that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a clueless jerk. Write it off to experience, and feel good knowing the guitar is going to be way better for you than it was for him with its broken pickup and hackjob wiring. They are conductors from a mains power cable ffs.

Anyway - in a year it will have climbed $200 in value and you will be square. And you're doing a great thing bringing it back from its mistreatment.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kudos to Juan, boo-ums to Jesse.. Interesting story.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guitar is going to be in much better shape when you're finished. It's a shame that it wasn't sold for what it is, essentially a fixer-upper that you've turned into a proper guitar.

It would be nice if that work and expertise was reflected in the before/after prices.
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