Cyclone II or Mustang Special?

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:02 am

Someone offerd a cyclone II to me. I love my cyclone I and i always wanted a cyclone II. But what is a realistic price for that thing. It's a red one, first-hand. How much is it traded in europe?
How much would you pay?

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:52 am

Much like most Mexican Fenders, these don't really appreciate much but they do hold their value very well. Even if they're oddball and relatively rare.

The price for Daphne Blue ones seems to have been set around the $500-$550 mark for YEARS. I bought one five years ago for that, sold it for that 2 years ago and I've come across one in a shop for $500 last year.

CAR ones go for a little less.

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:55 pm

So, i head the price: 500â‚¬.

I think, thats too much. Won't pay more than 400...

So i went in a guitarstore this day and i played a car mustang special first run. What a cool guitar!!! I can buy it new for 450â‚¬.

What will be the better deal? Cyclone II or Mustang Special?

btw: whats the difference between the new and the old pawn shop mustang specials?

BearBoy · Post by **BearBoy** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:58 pm

jagsonic wrote:btw: whats the difference between the new and the old pawn shop mustang specials?

The old ones are MIJ and have a glossy neck and the truss rod adjustment at the body end of the neck.

The new ones are MIM and have a more satin neck and the truss rod adjustment at the headstock.

Other than that, I think they are the same.

I've got one of the MIJ ones in LPB and really like it. 450â‚¬ for a new example sounds like a bargain.

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:01 pm

So, 450â‚¬ seems a good deal?

BearBoy · Post by **BearBoy** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:02 pm

jagsonic wrote:So, 450â‚¬ seems a good deal?

I think I edited my post before you replied

Yes, I'd say 450â‚¬ is a great deal.

Not played a Cyclone II though so cannot make any comparisons to that.

weeping_moon · Post by **weeping_moon** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:27 pm

I dont know anything about these guitars.
But i have to say i would go for the cyclone 2. If its in good condition! CAR looks great!

Post by **dots** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:19 pm

mustangs are much easier to come by in the states, so i gotta imagine the cyclones are the rarer find in germany, too. i've wanted a cyclone 2 for years.

gofive · Post by **gofive** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:38 am

Do the Cyclone II because you may never get another chance to get one. They are becoming more and more rare by the day.

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:42 am

I'm a little bit confused. I saw photos of cyclone IIs with different vibratosystems. Some have the vintage one (with six srews) and some have the new one with two screws. What's about that?

speedfish · Post by **speedfish** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:42 pm

jagsonic wrote:I'm a little bit confused. I saw photos of cyclone IIs with different vibratosystems. Some have the vintage one (with six srews) and some have the new one with two screws. What's about that?

the Cyclone, Cyclone HH and Cyclone II all came with vintage 6 screw tremolos. 2 screws are better, but means someone modded one. Jagmasters came with 6 and 2 screw tremolos, but not Cyclones.

I would go for the Cyclone II. Love the CAR with stripe.

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:08 pm

I don't think, there are modded. Here is a link to an store that sold them: http://www.soundland.de/catalog/e-gitar ... 42826.html

Ankhanu · Post by **Ankhanu** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:50 am

I'd go Cyclone II... just because they're so hard to come by.

The Mustang Special is a phenomenal guitar, and that's a really great price... but, it's a model that's easily attainable (though not necessarily at that price). You're not likely to encounter another Cyclone II.

Both are extremely cool guitars... I'm glad I'm not faced with the decision. I know that whichever choice I made, I'd kick myself for missing the other deal

laterallateral · Post by **laterallateral** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:54 am

The tuning machines and the bridge+saddles have been changed on that Cyclone II.

Not saying they aren't an improvement (altough I would go for slotted vintage tuners over whatever those things are any time) but I just thought I'd let you know because unless he's got the original parts, I'd say this should reflect negatively on the price.

EDIT: String tree is not original, as well.

speedfish · Post by **speedfish** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:15 am

laterallateral wrote:The tuning machines and the bridge+saddles have been changed on that Cyclone II.

Not saying they aren't an improvement (altough I would go for slotted vintage tuners over whatever those things are any time) but I just thought I'd let you know because unless he's got the original parts, I'd say this should reflect negatively on the price.

EDIT: String tree is not original, as well.

Yep. They didn't come with roller trees, and the locking strap locks are a bonus, but not original either. That thing is sweet, but it's been modded. Good advice to get the original parts as well if you can.

Post by **dots** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:10 am

why get the original parts unless the point is to immediately retrofit and sell? those mods all make it more stable. i had a strat with those sadles, tuners, and trees, and that thing was always in tune.

edit: keep in mind, too, that the roller tree requires two holes, so putting the old one back on might leave you with some 'splainin to do.

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:57 am

Oh, i think you misunderstood me. The one i got offered is with the old tuners and 6 srew bridge.
The one i posted above i found while i searched the net. It's an old onlineshopoffer. So i think the late Cyclone IIs have this modifications in stock! Isn't it so?

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:01 am

Ankhanu wrote:Both are extremely cool guitars... I'm glad I'm not faced with the decision. I know that whichever choice I made, I'd kick myself for missing the other deal

Yeah, you're right. I should be rich and buy both

speedfish · Post by **speedfish** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:36 pm

jagsonic wrote:.
So i think the late Cyclone IIs have this modifications in stock! Isn't it so?

No. I've never seen it in my searches and no Cyclones with those specifications appear in any Fender literature that I've been privileged to read. Could it be a FSR? Perhaps, but I doubt it. Those are upgrades that you typically only see on American made Fender guitars, and there were no American made Cyclones that I am aware of.

jagsonic · Post by **jagsonic** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:47 pm

that is all curious! You've seen my link: http://www.soundland.de/catalog/e-gitar ... 42826.html ? I don't know how it goes...