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The road worns I've played were lovely instruments, and you're right, it's too bad we can't buy them without the relicing. It's amusing that the Kurdtz jaguar is more expensive to buy if you want it to look like a used guitar.stewart wrote:i don't understand why fender can't issue stuff at a roadworn-esque price but just finished in flat nitro, without that shitty relicing they do. they'd soon get bashed up. i know that's missing the lame point, but still.
they did a fiesta red J bass that was lovely, but no way would i buy one with that belt sander bullshit.
The additional cost is justified due to the all of the extra work that is required to properly relic those guitars. I absolutely hate it when some lunkhead takes a belt sander to a perfectly good finish and calls it reliced, but my Fender Wayne Kramer strat is a work of art. All of the metal and screws have been aged to look as if it could have come through the sixties. The time and detail they spent to reproduce each and every little gouge, nick or scrape is amazing.astro wrote:The road worns I've played were lovely instruments, and you're right, it's too bad we can't buy them without the relicing. It's amusing that the Kurdtz jaguar is more expensive to buy if you want it to look like a used guitar.stewart wrote:i don't understand why fender can't issue stuff at a roadworn-esque price but just finished in flat nitro, without that shitty relicing they do. they'd soon get bashed up. i know that's missing the lame point, but still.
they did a fiesta red J bass that was lovely, but no way would i buy one with that belt sander bullshit.
I know the cost is justified, I'm sure a lot of manual labor goes into making a guitar look worn. And there is definitely a lot of thought and artistry that goes into making a convincing relic. My amusement stems from the fact that personally I think relicing is a rather silly trend (that's just my personal taste). And it's amusing to me because a vintage guitar is worth less if it's been naturally reliced than if it has managed to stay in mint condition. I would rather buy a new guitar and age it by playing it.speedfish wrote:The additional cost is justified due to the all of the extra work that is required to properly relic those guitars. I absolutely hate it when some lunkhead takes a belt sander to a perfectly good finish and calls it reliced, but my Fender Wayne Kramer strat is a work of art. All of the metal and screws have been aged to look as if it could have come through the sixties.astro wrote:The road worns I've played were lovely instruments, and you're right, it's too bad we can't buy them without the relicing. It's amusing that the Kurdtz jaguar is more expensive to buy if you want it to look like a used guitar.stewart wrote:i don't understand why fender can't issue stuff at a roadworn-esque price but just finished in flat nitro, without that shitty relicing they do. they'd soon get bashed up. i know that's missing the lame point, but still.
they did a fiesta red J bass that was lovely, but no way would i buy one with that belt sander bullshit.
the Wayne Kramer I've seen in person, the same one , many times, it made me fall in love it looks so natural. Never liked the "relic" concept before. Anyway I agree, it is a work of art. The one I saw looked like someone used it to pound nails into the wall, odd little clusters of pockmarks. And a nicely done yellowing . Only thing that confuses me is the pickguard, I assume he painted it himself but it isn't scratched through . The relic has an intact molded PG, not that it puts me off. Tell me is there a 500k pot in there for the humbucker?speedfish wrote:The additional cost is justified due to the all of the extra work that is required to properly relic those guitars. I absolutely hate it when some lunkhead takes a belt sander to a perfectly good finish and calls it reliced, but my Fender Wayne Kramer strat is a work of art. All of the metal and screws have been aged to look as if it could have come through the sixties. The time and detail they spent to reproduce each and every little gouge, nick or scrape is amazing.astro wrote:The road worns I've played were lovely instruments, and you're right, it's too bad we can't buy them without the relicing. It's amusing that the Kurdtz jaguar is more expensive to buy if you want it to look like a used guitar.stewart wrote:i don't understand why fender can't issue stuff at a roadworn-esque price but just finished in flat nitro, without that shitty relicing they do. they'd soon get bashed up. i know that's missing the lame point, but still.
they did a fiesta red J bass that was lovely, but no way would i buy one with that belt sander bullshit.
The pickguard confuses me too. I guess they couldn't find an economical method of adding the pick scratches or just figured that the owner will take care of that. I haven't taken the pickguard off to see what's under there, but to my ear it sounds kinda muddy, so I'm thinking that he didn't change the pot or capacitor.61fury wrote:the Wayne Kramer I've seen in person, the same one , many times, it made me fall in love it looks so natural. Never liked the "relic" concept before. Anyway I agree, it is a work of art. The one I saw looked like someone used it to pound nails into the wall, odd little clusters of pockmarks. And a nicely done yellowing . Only thing that confuses me is the pickguard, I assume he painted it himself but it isn't scratched through . The relic has an intact molded PG, not that it puts me off. Tell me is there a 500k pot in there for the humbucker?speedfish wrote:The additional cost is justified due to the all of the extra work that is required to properly relic those guitars. I absolutely hate it when some lunkhead takes a belt sander to a perfectly good finish and calls it reliced, but my Fender Wayne Kramer strat is a work of art. All of the metal and screws have been aged to look as if it could have come through the sixties. The time and detail they spent to reproduce each and every little gouge, nick or scrape is amazing.astro wrote: The road worns I've played were lovely instruments, and you're right, it's too bad we can't buy them without the relicing. It's amusing that the Kurdtz jaguar is more expensive to buy if you want it to look like a used guitar.
My sentiments as well. The only relic guitar that I own is the Wayne Kramer and I guess like 61fury that I just fell in love with it when I saw it. Like you said the better condition that a vintage guitar is in the greater it's value except if it's been owned by Hendrix, Cash, Cobain, etc,...then buyers want to see the abuse, scratches, dents and dings from the masters hands.astro wrote:I know the cost is justified, I'm sure a lot of manual labor goes into making a guitar look worn. And there is definitely a lot of thought and artistry that goes into making a convincing relic. My amusement stems from the fact that personally I think relicing is a rather silly trend (that's just my personal taste). And it's amusing to me because a vintage guitar is worth less if it's been naturally reliced than if it has managed to stay in mint condition. I would rather buy a new guitar and age it by playing it.speedfish wrote:The additional cost is justified due to the all of the extra work that is required to properly relic those guitars. I absolutely hate it when some lunkhead takes a belt sander to a perfectly good finish and calls it reliced, but my Fender Wayne Kramer strat is a work of art. All of the metal and screws have been aged to look as if it could have come through the sixties.astro wrote: The road worns I've played were lovely instruments, and you're right, it's too bad we can't buy them without the relicing. It's amusing that the Kurdtz jaguar is more expensive to buy if you want it to look like a used guitar.
Of course relicing makes more sense to me if it's meant to recreate a particular existing famous guitar like the Kurdtz jaguar. I mean no offence to those who like reliced guitars, more power to them if that's what they like and there's nothing wrong with that. I just prefer new guitars that look new.
If I owned a vintage guitar in mint condition, I would be so paranoid about scratching it that it would probably not get played much. Plus, the old guitars I've seen that were mint were usually not played because they were lemons that played or sounded poorly. The naturally worn vintage guitars I've played with natural relicing tended to be great sounding and well playing, hence they got played a lot.stewart wrote:see, a naturally scuzzed up vintage guitar would always be of more interest to me than a mint one. given the choice I'd always buy a thrashed one over a clean job.
