Fretted Americana

Lucamo · Post by **Lucamo** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:56 am

Are they a big bag of balls or not?

These prices seem high, but I know nothing about vintage prices.

Kinda pretty

They're videos are fun

Lucamo · Post by **Lucamo** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:00 am

HONESTLY

FUCK

VINTAGE

So fucking what if there is like 2 more this quality. 30343 grand for some peice of wood that will sound marginally different to a guitar I could peice together for 700 dollars. SO DUMB

Mages · Post by **Mages** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:35 am

if that pisses you off, I suggest that you do not look at the gibsons.

Lucamo · Post by **Lucamo** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:48 am

Are these real prices?!

Or inflated LA bullshit rich prices?

George · Post by **George** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:07 am

People will pay that for vintage. 1954 Tele? That's like a museum piece. It'll be worth way more some day.

kypdurron · Post by **kypdurron** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:00 am

I highly doubt it that vintage guitars will be on the up and up in the next decades. While a 52 Tele will still be a valuable guitar, it may well be that ten, 20 years ahead people who buy them now will lose tons of money. Dealers like Gruhn are of that opinion too. The Generation that has nostalgic bonds with these guitars and has a lot money will die out like dinosaurs. How old ist Keith Richards?

ekwatts · Post by **ekwatts** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:25 am

kypdurron wrote:How old ist Keith Richards?

Nobody really knows.

NickS · Post by **NickS** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:36 pm

kypdurron wrote:The Generation that has nostalgic bonds with these guitars and has a lot money will die out like dinosaurs.

Meteorite impact?

George · Post by **George** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:41 pm

ekwatts wrote:
kypdurron wrote:How old ist Keith Richards?
Nobody really knows.

Husk: 67 earth years
Blood: Unknown
Liver: Unknown

George · Post by **George** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:46 pm

kypdurron wrote:I highly doubt it that vintage guitars will be on the up and up in the next decades. While a 52 Tele will still be a valuable guitar, it may well be that ten, 20 years ahead people who buy them now will lose tons of money. Dealers like Gruhn are of that opinion too. The Generation that has nostalgic bonds with these guitars and has a lot money will die out like dinosaurs. How old ist Keith Richards?

That's massive conjecture. If you compare that thinking with any other vintage or antique possession like cars, jewellery, art, books and other antiques then it's flat out wrong and a bit silly. Why would guitars be any different?

kypdurron · Post by **kypdurron** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:25 pm

As I said, they will still be valuable guitars. but I think not as expensive as today. Some few exeptions like a 59 Les Paul or a 52 Tele or put aside, but what kind of vintage lies in a 1969 Strat or a 1975 Telecaster? Or even a 1964 Strat? I'm not saying they will not be expensive anymore. But I don't see a real future for prices that equal a new Porsche. That's my opinion, at least.

how many cars, jewellery, art, books have gone through the roof that way? Old, well taken care of cars are a consistent value, but much cheaper than new cars. YOu can buy a Citroen TA for 12.000 or a 6ties THunderbird for 8000. Diamonds keep up with their original value. 95% of all artists are not known to more than 100 people.

What I'm saying, these dealers try to charge a vintage guitar price on every guitar that's basically old and made by a brand that stands for goodness. But while an early 50s Nocaster is definitely vintage, because it is rare and symbolizes a specific time stamp in music history, a 196X Tele is not, in my opinion. It is just an old guitar. Funny enough, you can find a working Fender Deluxe amp for about 2000 $. That is in today's money not so far away from what it did cost new.

James · Post by **James** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:36 pm

The important thing is that nobody can make a 196x Telecaster now. The originals will always be in dwindling supply. Considering the majority of the 'new' output of Fender is still rehases of old strats and teles, I don't see the value of the originals going down.

George · Post by **George** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:01 pm

Yes, not all Fenders will be worth a fortune automatically after 50 years. However, a 1954 Telecaster is from the golden age and the early years of Fender overseen by Leo himself. It's that "golden age" in an artist or manufacturer's history that always appreciates in value (or at least holds it), and becomes most sought after. For some, Fender's golden age might end at the CBS buyout or later on. This is exactly the same with other antiques or valuable possessions: anything from a celebrated era that is considered historically significantly, inspired, famous or of excellent craftsmanship is immensley collectible and always will be.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:29 pm

Unfortunately its never a given that age = good. I shall demonstrate this variance with science thusly:

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Sparky · Post by **Sparky** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:54 pm

IT'S PHIL X, LOOK OUT!!

He's the best, except when he's playing Funk 49 over and over. Love his version of "I Wish" though.

kylinder · Post by **kylinder** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:58 pm

Phil's videos are great but the prices always seem ridiculous.

I do want one of those Gretsch Spectrasonic's they had. I've never seen one for sale

Lucamo · Post by **Lucamo** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:29 pm

When you compare old Chevy's and shit to guitars it makes no sense.

I see Mint classic run muscle cars selling for like 70 grand.

FERRARI's that were only made like 150, like the Ferrari Daytona, sell for like 200 grand right now, with inflation thats only 10 percent more then new price.

Guitars are way bloated in prices.

jcyphe · Post by **jcyphe** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:02 pm

Guitars don't have a huge overhead to maintain like cars. Vintage guitars are more comparable to fine art. And Bursts are more comparable to Stradivari's violins. They will always be collectible because of the limited numbers they were made in and the legend that surround them.

Lucamo · Post by **Lucamo** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:33 pm

I think a 1 in 100 car is more special then a guitar...

Like I love guitars, but all the peices that go into a form a running sports car, or even saloon is far surpassed in quality. Those guitars too have legends around race wins, movies, celebrities who drove them. If they don't double or triple in valuefrom their original price then how do guitars.

I think vintage guitars are dumb.
The only ones I probably care enough to buy are 70s guitars bencause there not 10 grand yet, or a shortscale from the 50s... Because you can get them for 2 or 3 grand max.

jcyphe · Post by **jcyphe** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:48 pm

Lucamo wrote:I think a 1 in 100 car is more special then a guitar...

Like I love guitars, but all the peices that go into a form a running sports car, or even saloon is far surpassed in quality. Those guitars too have legends around race wins, movies, celebrities who drove them. If they don't double or triple in valuefrom their original price then how do guitars.

Well it depends on what car you're talking about, how many were produced, and what the provenance is. Some certainly do double and triple more than original sticker so I don't know what your talking about.

Try and buy a Duesenberg, pre-war Bugatti, or Ferrari that was raced and tell me they're not astronomical in price.