are there reverb units you can use in place of tanks?
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are there reverb units you can use in place of tanks?
that connect by the rca leads?
it strikes me as something that could really help open up a lot of older amps without fx loops, but i don't know how any of that stuff would work in practice.
the particular amp in question is the new vox ac15ch head ive got. love the tone, hate the spring reverb(!) - the volume and effect of it must be heavily subdued by the circuit somewhere. i've swapped the stock tank out for a longer 2 spring version (correct matched impedances etc) that sounds huge and drippy in fender circuits but insipid in the vox.
major tangent below!
the particular amp in question is the new vox ac15ch head ive got. love the tone, hate the spring reverb(!) - the volume and effect of it must be heavily subdued by the circuit somewhere. i've swapped the stock tank out for a longer 2 spring version (correct matched impedances etc) that sounds huge and drippy in fender circuits but insipid in the vox.
major tangent below!
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Fakir Mustache
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Well, the Vox AC15C1 reverb drive stage seems to have quite big gain of around 75 (R30/R29) although this will be slightly reduced by the current feedback through R41, and the reverb return amp stage has gain of around 20 (R52/R45).
The return amp stage has significant top cut (R52 in parallel with C37) starting at around 2.8 kHz, and bottom cut (C35/R45) operating at around 340 Hz; and the drive stage also has bottom cut (C21/R29) operating at around 280 Hz.
The ferrite beads are to eliminate RF pickup. If you want more high end on your return, changing the C37 560 pF to something smaller (say 150 pF) will have more effect than shorting out the ferrites.
If you wanted to use an external reverb pedal without modding the amp I think your best bet would be to use an attenuator on the output with a high-pass element to counteract the top cut and probably an attenuator on the input as well. Or maybe just suck it and see.
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The return amp stage has significant top cut (R52 in parallel with C37) starting at around 2.8 kHz, and bottom cut (C35/R45) operating at around 340 Hz; and the drive stage also has bottom cut (C21/R29) operating at around 280 Hz.
The ferrite beads are to eliminate RF pickup. If you want more high end on your return, changing the C37 560 pF to something smaller (say 150 pF) will have more effect than shorting out the ferrites.
If you wanted to use an external reverb pedal without modding the amp I think your best bet would be to use an attenuator on the output with a high-pass element to counteract the top cut and probably an attenuator on the input as well. Or maybe just suck it and see.
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looks like im going to get the best/easiest result by using an aby box where it splits into
a: delay -> reverb -> normal channel (low gain)
b: boosts/ts -> top boost channel (med-high gain)
once you start driving the preamp tube (which sounds great!) the reverb sounds awful so the above should hopefully solve that issue if it's just on the top boost channel. plus, even an fx loop or decent reverb tank solution would be placed before power tube breakup. modding the reverb circuit can come later if this doesn't work out.
a: delay -> reverb -> normal channel (low gain)
b: boosts/ts -> top boost channel (med-high gain)
once you start driving the preamp tube (which sounds great!) the reverb sounds awful so the above should hopefully solve that issue if it's just on the top boost channel. plus, even an fx loop or decent reverb tank solution would be placed before power tube breakup. modding the reverb circuit can come later if this doesn't work out.
this worked really blooming well tonight. when using drives and boosts in channel a, the reverb and delay in channel b didnt get muddy or boomy, but still a bit louder in the mix on account of the power tubes being pushed harder by channel a. pretty much responded how i'd want it to.George wrote:looks like im going to get the best/easiest result by using an aby box where it splits into
a: delay -> reverb -> normal channel (low gain)
b: boosts/ts -> top boost channel (med-high gain)
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Fakir Mustache
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If you use a regular overdrive for the top-boost channel, then that should have a regular volume knob and you can use it.George wrote:this worked really blooming well tonight. when using drives and boosts in channel a, the reverb and delay in channel b didnt get muddy or boomy, but still a bit louder in the mix on account of the power tubes being pushed harder by channel a. pretty much responded how i'd want it to.George wrote:looks like im going to get the best/easiest result by using an aby box where it splits into
a: delay -> reverb -> normal channel (low gain)
b: boosts/ts -> top boost channel (med-high gain)