Bass vi sounds... (bass iv)

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Are you sure you haven't simply misheard people calling it a Nitzsche instrument?

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A VI will seem like more a niche instrument if you don't play a lot of bass, since it's a bass. Guitarists tend to give these things a weird wrap, because they bought one thinking it would be more like playing a guitar than it ends up being. Contemporary trained bass guitarists don't want to adapt to one for the aforementioned physical dimension reasons, and most guitar players don't want to take over as a group's bassist merely for retro toaner-boaner shits & giggles... so it gets more play in "experimental" lineups or retro-fabulous garage projects and is therefore seen as a niche/gimmick by many. I don't think it's any small secret that the '70s weren't kind to their overall reputation/prevalence anyway (literally EVERYONE used to make a VI at one point in the early/mid-60s, Danelectro, Teisco, Guyatone, Gibson... and Gretsch and Schecter do them nowadays).
There's a surprising amount of leway you have on one as the bassist, though. A good set of LaBella VI flats will get you that classic "tic-tac" bass sound with a pick that people used to use Dano and Fender VIs for in the '60s (think Carol Kaye, solo career Jet Harris, Barney Kessel on "Spock's Theme", or see that Nitzsche vid), and with the trem you can almost get a sort of sliding chord cluster sound which few instruments outside of fretless or tremolo-equipped basses are capable of otherwise coming close to. Flatpicked roundwounds, meanwhile, will be more typically Fendabass-ish... so they can really cover a lot of ground across different eras and genres.

You wouldn't need the VI string sets to do what you want, you could just use extra light gauge bass strings as the spacing will be so much different to playing a VI anyway that you won't really lose anything. Intonation will likely be a problem as well, with the short travel of the Talman bridge and the 2-saddle configuation of the Bronco, and with both of those instruments having the bridge situated further back than a VI would. There's only so much gaugeplay you can do with guitars or basses before their bridges aren't in the right spot. And then there's the tuning machines.
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+1, always weirds me out when I see early Jack Bruce footage and he's getting it done on a Bass VI playing fingerstyle. I tried that on the Fender Pawn VI in a shop and it felt... weird. He had just switched from upright as well.
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Cheers for all the input chaps, looks like I want a vi of some sort. I really should shift my arse into town and play one but I can't be arsed with guitar shops these days... All the good ones are gone.
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Plus, the new Squier Bass VI's look amazing. They are a fucking classy instrument. Get one. Play around with string gauges to get what you want. I'm considering selling my Gretsch bari bass and getting one myself.
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The new Squiers require some set up work, but sound great. A luthier friend has complained that the truss rods aren’t up to snuff after a little bit though.

Playing VI finger style (traditional bass style, rather than say classical guitar style) is a little tough, but entirely doable with some practice. I play a handful of my bands’ songs fingerstyle these days, it’s initially awkward, but becomes normal... pick is still easier though.
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Well after no research what so ever I'm getting one of these delivered later today bass vi string through body as I don't like the idea of messing with a trem

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And the Squier was out of my price range.
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What is it Dez? A Harley Benton?
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Oooh. What is it?

Is it 30� scale?
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Gear 4 music homebrew (Subzero rogue vi baritone), 30" neck, alder body, D'addario strings. I had some credit with them ended up costing me £149... hopefully it's good no reviews on the youtube but their other guitars get decent reviews.

Also 'Subzero'... gotta be cool right?
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Well it's arrived looks the part feels nice. I won't get a chance to tune, play, test it until I've took our youngest to nursery.

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Actual colour is somewhere between these two pics
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Awesome, looking forward to your impressions
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Reminds me of that Jazzblaster that Cowbell Reece et. al had: http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtop ... er#1335982
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Sounding like my Schecter a fair bit.
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Ankhanu wrote:Sounding like my Schecter a fair bit.
Made me think of the hellcat when I first seen it. Is yours is the ultra cure? Love the silverburst on those.

Still need to set it up the intonation is a bit out so that's my next job
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I have an Ultra VI, silverburst, and a 2012 Hellcat VI (with Duncan SJAG1s), in 3ts. Pre-2012 I had one of the minihumbucker Hellcats (which I sold for the updated version) - this sounds closest to those.
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Doog wrote:Reminds me of that Jazzblaster that Cowbell Reece et. al had: http://www.shortscale.org/forum/viewtop ... er#1335982
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Ankhanu wrote:I have an Ultra VI, silverburst, and a 2012 Hellcat VI (with Duncan SJAG1s), in 3ts. Pre-2012 I had one of the minihumbucker Hellcats (which I sold for the updated version) - this sounds closest to those.
Bit of an aficionado with that collection, are these your main instruments?
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Nice one. Does look like a scuffed Schecter copy.
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dezb1 wrote:
Ankhanu wrote:I have an Ultra VI, silverburst, and a 2012 Hellcat VI (with Duncan SJAG1s), in 3ts. Pre-2012 I had one of the minihumbucker Hellcats (which I sold for the updated version) - this sounds closest to those.
Bit of an aficionado with that collection, are these your main instruments?
They are, yeah.
I occasionally pull out my Jazz Bass, or one of my guitars, but most stuff the past several years has been VI.
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Ankhanu wrote:
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Ankhanu wrote:I have an Ultra VI, silverburst, and a 2012 Hellcat VI (with Duncan SJAG1s), in 3ts. Pre-2012 I had one of the minihumbucker Hellcats (which I sold for the updated version) - this sounds closest to those.
Bit of an aficionado with that collection, are these your main instruments?
They are, yeah.
I occasionally pull out my Jazz Bass, or one of my guitars, but most stuff the past several years has been VI.
Cool, got any links to music you've made it like to hear what kinda noise you make. Was watching Aen's ultra cure vi demos on youtube earlier.
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